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National says the opening of the Government's books has confirmed New Zealand can no longer afford big-spending, low-growth policies.

Finance spokesman Bill English says the figures are an indictment on Michael Cullen's economic mismanagement. He says it is a day of reckoning for a Government which has focused on spending, and ignored the need for investment in future growth.

Mr English says the view National has held for some time is that Labour's Budget this year was too optimistic.

 
Now what can we do, Labour has left the books in a position that anyone taking over in parliament is ****ed before they start. Can someone please tell me I'm mistaken? I really do hope I am.
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A source of funds would be to eliminate the seemingly needless bureacracy and over management of the country. We need to be sure that each public servant or asset is delivering outputs that contribute to the wealth or welfare of the nation. It is not a difficult thing to do.

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Agree Sooshee.

Also there should put a complete ban on consultants to Government departments and just  make the public servants do their job .......Wink

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Originally posted by pagrus pagrus wrote:

Also there should put a complete ban on consultants to Government departments .....

Not before they have been paid to do a review on the findings of a previous review LOL
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I can't be bothered to type my initial reaction again and it is still making me bloody cross even though it was oh so predictable.
 
For what it is worth I wrote this earlier this morning.
 
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The only country with more debt per capita is Iceland...and look whats just happened there..so we are next on the list. Our dollar is over valued, we dont own anything in this country to get us out except a bunch of cows. I wonder if that arrogant " Im better than you" smug look thats always on Cullens face has gone yet
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Well I guess it's a case of wether one sees their glass as being half full or half empty.....
Admittedley enough some things could use a good shake up but it isn't All Bad news as some doom and gloom recidivists imagine... who ever gets in will still screw some things up. That's a given.
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Originally posted by pagrus pagrus wrote:

Also there should put a complete ban on consultants to Government departments and just  make the public servants do their job .......Wink



Do you have any idea how many people that would add to the unemployment list. Besides your average bureaucrat isn't qualified to make a decision 
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I'll be interested to come back to this in a few years time and see what sort of a mess National has left. Quite frankly both parties manage to screw the country up at some stage in their tenure.
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Originally posted by 41south 41south wrote:

I'll be interested to come back to this in a few years time and see what sort of a mess National has left. Quite frankly both parties manage to screw the country up at some stage in their tenure.
It will take a lot longer than a few years to get us out of the mess. Even when the economy was in growth the labour party introduce things such as more paid holiday leave, more paid maternity leave etc thinking they were doing a good thing..Result = companies wont employ people because its too much hasle/cost, that along with high company tax and Cullen and co say all the large companies like Fisher&Paykel moving offshore has nothing to do with them...Idiots, the only people employing new staff are government deparments, just think of how many people they employ to sought out Kiwi saver.
Anyone with vision beyond the end of their nose saw this day coming long before the books were opened yesterday.
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What Adam said Clap Nothing was more pleasing than the day I sold out 2 years ago now just before 4 weeks annual leave came in along with all the other crap that has made it impossible to employ staff and make a $$. No bloody wonder China is killing our industry
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Cullen should be held accountable for the current state of affairs... throw him in jail!
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Picking on 4 weeks paid holiday as an example.... Confused (Most countries have atleast 4 and some as many as 12).... F###n aye we all want our holidays mate!
 
Paid maternity leave as another...... Confused (look at what the OZ's get as an example.... Plus 5k in the hand as a govt pay out to start with)....
 
sounds like you're against hard workers having a holiday and taking time out to have a family.... (which is when financial support is needed by a lot)...
 
Employers do need a break, but not at the sufferage of us loyal workers.... give em a tax break and other incentives..... but don't chop the arms off the working class family man.
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Originally posted by Tomsta Tomsta wrote:

Picking on 4 weeks paid holiday as an example.... Confused (Most countries have atleast 4 and some as many as 12).... F###n aye we all want our holidays mate!
 
Paid maternity leave as another...... Confused (look at what the OZ's get as an example.... Plus 5k in the hand as a govt pay out to start with)....
 
sounds like you're against hard workers having a holiday and taking time out to have a family.... (which is when financial support is needed by a lot)...
 
Employers do need a break, but not at the sufferage of us loyal workers.... give em a tax break and other incentives..... but don't chop the arms off the working class family man.
Ok but if you were running the company, had the option of employing someone or getting the job done overseas what would you do?
-You now have to have them on contract, which means if thing slow down you need to pay redundancy
-You need 4 weeks paid leave + paid maternaty leave with the option of 1year off.(So your new staff member could be up the duff and away for up to a year, they by law are allowed to come back to the same job..Do you employ someone else and go thru this crap again)
-The minimum wage has increased too.
Or you can get the product made overseas for less cost, less hassle. I know what I do. We have no choice.
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Imagine it over here if they offered $5k per sprog fired out!?!? Would give the benefit bludgers something to do with their days.
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remember nz is a country of 4 ml trying to service a country the size of england. 80 percent of businesses employ 12 people so where are we supposed to get all this money bludger
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/vote08/0a28758.html

Go there now and enjoy the election!ClapClapClap
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Originally posted by Hairy Little Dwarf Hairy Little Dwarf wrote:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/vote08/0a28758.html

Go there now and enjoy the election!ClapClapClap
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Tomsta Tomsta wrote:

Picking on 4 weeks paid holiday as an example.... Confused (Most countries have atleast 4 and some as many as 12).... F###n aye we all want our holidays mate!
 
Paid maternity leave as another...... Confused (look at what the OZ's get as an example.... Plus 5k in the hand as a govt pay out to start with)....
 
sounds like you're against hard workers having a holiday and taking time out to have a family.... (which is when financial support is needed by a lot)...
 
Employers do need a break, but not at the sufferage of us loyal workers.... give em a tax break and other incentives..... but don't chop the arms off the working class family man.


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Get off your arse and start your own company Tomsta, instead of bludging off the efforts and initiative and balls of others.
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And they wonder why manufacturing jobs are going offshore by the hundreds every weekConfused

Dont you realize that working men and women along with employers are all in it together if the bosses cant afford the welfare add ons there is no jobs, simple really.
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