Charter Skipper Drinking - What's the Law?

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    Posted: 13 Mar 2010 at 6:56pm
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I understand that it is against the law for the skipper of a charter vessel to be drinking alcohol while on the job. Would somebody please confirm this for me and let me know what the actual regulation/law is and what it says? On a charter out of Auckland yesterday in winds up to 30knots plus and pretty much the first thing the skipper said to us was 'what about a beer for the skipper?" Wasn't the only one he consumed during a short charter.
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Law or no law it sounds damn irresponsibleDisapprove
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Whether you are driving a car, boat, plane, train or anything else that can potentially hurt or kill, the rules are the same. No drinking and driving, its just F###ing stupid Thumbs Down. Its not about the law, just good old common sense !!!
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was that outa pine harbour??
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Iresponsible but if it was just one or two over several hours he would be under the limit
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Seriously, there are sections of the maritime rules that cover operating a vessel while impaired - doesn't matter if the boat is private or commercial.
 
If you are concerned suggest taking it up with the operator as the preferred option or with the harbourmaster or MNZ as the risky option...  By risky I mean if there is to much of that being reported then we will all find that we have to blow in the bag before departing and upon return or we aren't allowed to go. 
 
The drowning rate is something they are looking at, hence the latest thing with lifejackets being compulsory on under 6m boats...
 
The guideline for most operators is "enjoy, with a beer" rather than "have a beer and enjoy" but there are operators out there that haven't quite caught up with the times.  Drunk people don't float, not a good look...
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I had a charter skipper smoke a spliff with the boys once, against the law, yes, irresponsible, maybe, but did I feel unsafe, No. Each person has their own thing that makes them feel uncomfortable I guess
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Each to their owm I suppose, but my boat is a dry zone, dont give a rats arse if you want to get full of piss and run down the street naked once you are back at my house, but no alcohol on the boat, been caught out once, and never again, end of story.
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Originally posted by Rotowarriors Rotowarriors wrote:

I had a charter skipper smoke a spliff with the boys once, against the law, yes, irresponsible, maybe, but did I feel unsafe, No. Each person has their own thing that makes them feel uncomfortable I guess


Isn't that a bit like saying its ok to drink and drive?

There are too many idiots on the water, we all see stupid things happen and close calls almost every time we go out, how would the skipper respond if a situation happened and he had a few beers inside him or smoked a fat one.
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Dont they have some sort of Health and safety policy in place...As a licenced operator i would assume alcohol and drugs comsumption would be inlcluded??

Please correct if im wrong?
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I'd say so... bus drivers, taxi drivers, pilots & ferry operators or basically anyone thats liscensed to carry passengers have to be completely booze free when they're working... Only difference is a charter skipper is prob self employed so he can do what he wants, be in for a helluva skate if things went wrong tho wether it was strictly his fault or not.
 Bloody unproffesional no matter which way you look at it... I wouldnt jump in a taxi if the driver had a few under his belt...
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Few charter opertors on site here...

Interesting to read there veiws for future reference..
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You just got mine on it, I personally don't drink very much regardless but there are a lot of clients that come out on the boat either hungover from the night before or intending to get skulled while they are out.
 
I've find that one or two pissed punters generally ruin it for the rest of the boat so have the rule if you are visibly pissed on the marina you don't come.  People are told before time, and if that happens there's no refund as we've lost the day for other bookings.  Same if we have to come back in early due to pissheads - no refund...
 
Boat H&S policy for crew is not to consume mind altering substances, but I don't have a problem with a couple of beers (not wine or spirits) at anchor, and over dinner at the end of the day.
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Happened to us a few years ago - skipper got visibly pissed. Thumbs Down 
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Still interested to know if someone can quote me chapter and verse.
 
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Busted, I like your take on it.
If I were looking to charter, your outlook would ensure my interest.
 
I don't have any problem with guys having a few beers ( meaning FEW) but one or two pissed punters can ruin it for people who are a bit more serious about why they are out there.
 
As I see it, being a charter skipper is no different from being a bus or taxi driver when it comes to passenger safety so the alchohol or substance intake should be zero.
A little bit different at the end of the day thoughBig smile 
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Originally posted by Busted! Busted! wrote:

You just got mine on it, I personally don't drink very much regardless but there are a lot of clients that come out on the boat either hungover from the night before or intending to get skulled while they are out.
 
I've find that one or two pissed punters generally ruin it for the rest of the boat so have the rule if you are visibly pissed on the marina you don't come.  People are told before time, and if that happens there's no refund as we've lost the day for other bookings.  Same if we have to come back in early due to pissheads - no refund...
 
Boat H&S policy for crew is not to consume mind altering substances, but I don't have a problem with a couple of beers (not wine or spirits) at anchor, and over dinner at the end of the day.
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Just re read that appolgies busted...had to have a re read using 2 eyesEmbarrassed... no different any day on the water i spose then? use some bloody common sense??
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