Reducing number of snags while Straylining .

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Is there any tips or tricks to help reduce the number of Snags when Stray-lining over foul ground? 

Recently started rock fishing and have a couple of productive points but they have a large appetite for terminal tackle.   I basically snell a circle hooks (6/0 to 8/0) onto 1.5m of either 40 or 80lb trace material which I tie onto my mainline with a 1/4 or 1/2oz  ball sinker above the hook. I pre-tie all of my traces to save time. 

I cast out, lower the drag and wait. When no fish take the bait, I tighten the drag, lift the rod high as possible and wind in fast to try and keep the hook above the reef. Still lose plenty of gear. 

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don't use any sinkers, that way baits drift slower to the bottom, and less snags
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Yeah no sinkers is the way to go - let the weight of the bait control the sink rate and with a well balanced rod and reel combo you'll be suprised at the distance you can still cast.
 
If I do have to use sinkers due to wind or current I'll only usually go 1/8 or 1/4 oz at most.
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Would trail no sinkers, I can get sufficient distance casting whole pilchards but need a little more weight for casting anchovies. 
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Use no sinkers and keep your bait alive off the bottom. If fishing with casting braid your casts will go twice as far and will not be effected by the wind when unweighted straylining. This is an issue I have found when stray lining as any little bit of breeze and it blows a bow in your mainline causing the bait to  end up back in the wash. Braid will sit on top of the water and be unaffected. A lot of guys on here hate braid for LB. You just need to use long traces of windon fluoro for abrasion resistance plus a bit of invisibility factor.

Another option is to hook up your pilly from the mid section with trace running out to tail. Have a sliding small ball sinker run down to your pilly on the opposite side that the hook is on. This way the hook stays on the upside of the bait. Finish off with a couple of half hitch loops aroud the tail of pilly and you have a good casting outfit.   
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After a 6hr session on the rocks straylining, how many hooks would you expect to lose?

I lost 12, that was fishing two rods, one using big baits the other small. So 1 hook per hour per rod.


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part of your problem is you  when fishing a bad rocky or kelpy area keep in touch with the line and bait by just leaving it unatended it will sink in to kelp or rocks and be lost ,a quick wind now and then will lift it off the bottom (walking the  bait),may have to throw out a few times more often but lose rate should be down ,most fishers would lose 3-4 hooks over a day .ALSO add more anchoveys and tie on too give more weight to help cast .
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Barry is spot on.
 
In terrain like that you are best off fishing one rod and holding it the whole time whilst a bait is in the water. You really need to keep in touch with the bait. If you hook a fish in terrain like that and the rod is in the rod holder you will most likely be reefed anyway.
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I like to use No sinkers as well..  I use large baits with the big rod (distance) and the 10 footer for fishing my feet...   I use small spoon sinkers if I have to use a sinker... A big heave and wind like hell..the spoon sinker "planes" up to the surface... tend to loose less weights by using   tea"spoon" sinkers... 

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And a slightly different approach is to learn the terrain better. Stick on snorkel and mask and go for a wander around your potential casting zone. Even in foul terrain there will often be a sandy or less treacherous spots where you can aim your casts at.

Generally, I always take a surfcaster plus regular rock rods to newer spots; the surfcaster so I can get max cast distance if I need, or even for closer in the high angle of an upright surfcaster means less line close to the weed/rocks. Good fun battling a kingi or big snaps on the surfcaster too...
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Loosing tackle is part of the fun mateWink Usually such areas are very productive in terms of fishing. If it is a complete sh##t bottom, i use circle hooks. They tend to reduce the rate of loosing hooks.

Definitely NO SINKER. 
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You can get big wet flys for trout which have a 'weed gaurd' which is usually some stiff light mono which run from the eye of the hook to the point. Seems to work well I dont see why it couldn't be applied to salt water?
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you may laugh , but i was watching these Korean dudes , they were on  a landbased safari over on the barrier , they were doing really well off the bricks ... noticed that they put those little red and white floats down on their leaders to keep their bait off the bottom and give them the split second of reaction time to hook up , never tried it myself but watched them catch a hell of a lot of snapper this way , they were certainly no slouches and hauled some great snapper in.
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I own a bunch of foam floats, going to install a few different lengths away from the hook to see if it makes a difference. 
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Originally posted by Big H Big H wrote:

You can get big wet flys for trout which have a 'weed gaurd' which is usually some stiff light mono which run from the eye of the hook to the point. Seems to work well I dont see why it couldn't be applied to salt water?


Was thinking about that and I guess you could use the tag end of the snell.
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What has been said already.

But also Google 'pulley rig'. I've been using a rig like this for distance casting when I've wanted to get just out beyond the foul in a couple of spots. Good rig for when the fish are only taking small baits and you don't want to have to use a whole bonito head or similar. Been using it for just over a month now and when fishing over foul have yet to get snagged up *touch wood*.

Only thing I snagged was a bumhole breacher in a kayakLOL
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I use pulley rigs all the time while Surfcasting or fishing off beaches, Just tied 7 new ones before dinner tonight. Thought that the big old wary Snappers would be a bit reluctant to take one, might give it a go on my second bait rod.  
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I've been catching more fish on the pulley rig than I used to on my single hook droppers when fishing off the beaches. Very happy with it and it casts a lot easier and further. I have to thank Chad for his article in Fishing Coast to Coast for switching me to this rig.
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Going to do a three way trial next time I am rock fishing in the sounds.

1) Strayline with no sinker.

2) Strayline with no sinker, Plus float.

3) Pulley Rig  with BOS (Maybe with float)

See if it reduces the number of Snags while maintaining my catch rate. 

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the other option is to not put any gear in the water and just burley the fish to your feet and catch em of the rod tip.
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