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Supreme 550 alloy centre console with 90hp Suzuki, all 2015.
Just me and two kids and about 60l of fuel onboard.
Some impressive early figures, 21-22kts, 2-2.3nm/l, 10l/hr, @ 4000rpm.
Conditions were dead flat in the inner harbour at low tide.
The engine has about 4hrs on it, I will post some trolling figures when I get em.
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580 Ramco fully loaded with 2001 90 Merc 2 smoke. Big day out from Mangawhai, 43 nautical miles at various speeds mainly around 20knots but with some idling as well while casting into Trevally and Kahawai boil ups. Total fuel used was 50 litres. Various conditions from dead flat to bad chop/offshore waves.
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Date: 10/2/15
Boat: (Notorious) 7.2 Buccaneer Billfisher
Size: 7.2m
Weight:  2 ton
Engine:225 Honda 4 stroke
Prop diameter and pitch: 17p 14 1/4"
Weather conditions and general usage: calm
Hours on water: 11
Fuel used: 151l
Trolling speed: 8knots
Other notes: 13.7 litres per hour@2200rpm. pretty much every trip we use around 150l per 11 hour trolling day. going to change to a 16" 20p prop. will let you know what happens to fuel. i know the rpm drops by 300rpm at trolling speed so should be interesting.
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Originally posted by 7m or below 7m or below wrote:

<strong style="line-height: 1.4;">Date:<span style="line-height: 1.4;"> 10/2/15</span>
Boat: (Notorious) 7.2 Buccaneer Billfisher
Size: 7.2m
Weight:  2 ton
Engine:225 Honda 4 stroke
Prop diameter and pitch: 17p 14 1/4"
Weather conditions and general usage: calm
Hours on water: 11
Fuel used: 151l
Trolling speed: 8knots
Other notes: 13.7 litres per hour@2200rpm. pretty much every trip we use around 150l per 11 hour trolling day. going to change to a 16" 20p prop. will let you know what happens to fuel. i know the rpm drops by 300rpm at trolling speed so should be interesting.


I have the same set up, 237 with a 2007 225 honda. My prop is 14.25x17

I troll at 2200rpm and get 7kts and use 8 litres per hour which equates to 1liter per nautical mile. Worst I have had was 12 litres per hour and that was trolling head on in to 20+kts

I'm using 100-130 litres per day depending on how far I cruise out before putting the gear in.

I tried a few props when I got my honda and this was the most efficient. Seems like a big difference between our boats.

How long have you had that set up?
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Hey raging Bull. I have a few questions for ya cos id love my fuel to be as good as that.

What trim do you have your motor when trolling. Where do you position your weight in boat. How many people do you troll with. And where do you normally troll.(do you cruise out to trolling spot for an hour each way ??) Do you have hydrofoils on your outboard leg??

Cheers mate. (PS Cant beat the 237 for comfort in the rough)
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This is my 3rd year with the setup and am very happy with it. I had a yammy saltwater series 175hp and the fuel usage was terrible. 280l a day trolling.On the Honda I just had a few issues with my oxy sensor but since have fitted new exhausts and crank case gasket(updated version with different drain holes) and it has fixed that problem. And yours??
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That's terrible fuel economy for a Honda. Changing your prop to mimic RB and you should notice a big difference. It's nothing to do with his trim or weight positioning in the boat.

I had a Honda 225 on my old boat (2.5t) and got 7lph trolling, 20 lph at 22 knots. Pretty sure that was propped the same as RB.

Have a Honda 250 on my new boat (3t) and get 8 lph trolling 22lph at 22 knots.




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I usually have around 300 litres of fuel with 3 or 4 people on board but it doesn't make much difference. IF I go from White I cruise out and back on 50 odd litres, then 10 hour troll, that would be up around 130litres for a full 12 hour day.
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Bossco . I'm currently running the same prop as raging bull. That's why it's weird my fuel is so high
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Originally posted by 7m or below 7m or below wrote:

Bossco . I'm currently running the same prop as raging bull. That's why it's weird my fuel is so high

Drop your trolling speed to 7knts and see what happens. 8knts is probably to fast for your hull to be efficient in displacement mode. There are a bunch of old posts on here from a couple of years back where we discussed this in some depth and a bunch of guys reported massive fuel savings by dropping a little speed when trolling.
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Also and including Tagits comments at the bottom of this post...
Prop diameter and pitch: 17p 14 1/4"

Are they the same props.. brand?   3 or 4 blade? same cupping and/ or rake?
ie If RB has a prop with a little more cupping that will give him a little more 'grip' at lower speeds... and therefore a few rpms less maintaining a prop HP requirement between that and the hp curve of the motor at those rpms.
Sort of like this....take a car with a auto and has a 3000 torque converter  and another with a 1200 torque converter
At say 40 mph both cars require say 20hp to move up a slight slope
The 1200 torque converter car will so say 2000 rpms and no slip
The 3000 torque converter car will do say  2500 rpms and be slipping...so also requires more hp to over come that slip, and more throttle.
500 rpms doesnt sound much.... but at 2000 rpms that 25%

Also..both engine require a given amount of fuel mixture at a given rpms and load... ie the mixture amount is the volume of the engine over a given distance...therefore more rpms means more volume which means more fuel to maintain that fuel/ air ratio.

Either one of these, if start crunching actual numbers becomes quite significant in economy... put them both together and will be quite dramatically different
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Solas 3 blade 14 1/4 x17 stainless
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We have a couple of 14.25" Solas props in the back room. I'll check what pitch they are in case they might be good for you to test with. Just remember that the 1knt difference at trolling speeds between your and RB setups can explain all of your fuel burn difference.
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Yep sweet. that sounds good. we are going to Waihau this weekend so for 3 days so will drop my trolling speed down to 6.5-7 and let you guys know how we go. Cheers
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Mines a stainless 3 blade solas too. Did notice today when my mate was driving while I set the gear that he was doing 2400rpm and 8kts and was almost double the fuel burn than at just under 2200rpm and 7kts. We didn't donit for long so can't say how much more we would have used over a long period but the fuel meter was up around 2litres per nautical mile as opposed to 1. Did 25 mile run out this morning, idled around bottom bashing in 200m for several hours, trolled for a few hours and steamed in for 18miles on the way home. Used 96 litres for the 12 hours running.
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Trolled Waihau Last weekend .dropped down to 120l for 12 hours trolling(6.5-7 knots) big leap from 160l for 11 hours trolling. big saving. Really stoked with the Honda now
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Great to hear. Thanks for reporting back.
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Originally posted by Raging Bull Raging Bull wrote:

Mines a stainless 3 blade solas too. Did notice today when my mate was driving while I set the gear that he was doing 2400rpm and 8kts and was almost double the fuel burn than at just under 2200rpm and 7kts. We didn't donit for long so can't say how much more we would have used over a long period but the fuel meter was up around 2litres per nautical mile as opposed to 1. Did 25 mile run out this morning, idled around bottom bashing in 200m for several hours, trolled for a few hours and steamed in for 18miles on the way home. Used 96 litres for the 12 hours running.


Just come across this discussion whilst waiting for the southerly to blow itself out. I have a 720 billfisher with new (50hrs) Honda 225. We troll at 1800 RPM for 6.5kn and use 7LPH. Cruise at 3800RPM for 21kn and 23LPH or 4000RPM for 23-24kn and 27LPH. This is 4 up and half tank ie 160L fuel. Solas 14.25 x 17 s/s prop. V much better than the original yamaha 200. All pretty much the same as RagingBull set up. But has anyone tried a solas 4 blade prop with this rig ? I used to have a 2008 billfisher with a DI 175 evinrude 2 stroke and this went much better with a 4 blade prop when trolling.
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When I bought my viscount, '01 150hp ois carburated Johnson 270hrs I was obsessed with its fuel burn at cruising. 3200rpm 28 knots, 35Ltrs per hr. s/s 3 blade Vengence.I believe it's about 1.25nm per litre.
I'm advised that's similar to the e-tech ?..I'm comfortable with this for the hours that I utilize it.......and mines a lot cheaper to maintain due to cost of parts etc.
If I need diagnostics I pay the experts with the scanners to sort it.

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I would be expecting more like 1litre per nm with an etec. Those figures look like you might be overpropped..
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