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   <title><![CDATA[braid backing : Hey Roy I&amp;#039;ve given up on...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=45430">Bigfishbob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 84168<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Nov 2012 at 3:53pm<br /><br />Hey Roy<DIV>I've given up on the "Sato" Crimps, you need to freshen them up every season other wise the buggers with split on you. </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>These days I'm just closing up the end of the holllow using an old fashioned whipping and sealing with JB spectra glue.</DIV>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[braid backing : ....and I&amp;#039;m still itching...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=52835">Fishb8</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 84168<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Nov 2012 at 2:52pm<br /><br />....and I'm still itching to hook up my 50W Makaira loaded with a 400 metres of 37 mono topshot over 80&nbsp; lb JB mono, spliced using the Sato crimp method. <DIV>Will I get to see the braid?</DIV><DIV>I&nbsp;like straight braid with a non wind-on leader - this method gets nearly a 100% hook-up rate,&nbsp;using either Hayes or Pakula single hooks.</DIV>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[braid backing :   Dustin, just do the exercise...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=45728">Peter Pakula</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 84168<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Nov 2012 at 8:20am<br /><br />Dustin, just do the exercise as per the video and it will all become clear. I can understand that quite a few guys who have caught lots of fish, and write articles, run boats, fish lots want more 'fun' and spice in their fishing, but......... it's not 'better' and it's 'not easier' especially for newbies.<div><br>Makairas have helical cut gears and a massive thrust bearing to help increase torque.<br><br>&nbsp;"don't really get why you'd wish to "<em>wind the handle against the drag pressure you're using</em>", either. " Dustin because you keep the line as tight as possible, as smooth as possible and with a reel, line combo like that it's really easier to fight fish and catch them quicker and easier. Even now for mono I use size 20 reels for 16lb, 50 wides for 30. In the old days 80's for 50 and 130's for 80. Especially when 10:1 captures were the name of the game. Current 80's and 130's are pretty good for 80 and 130.</div><div><br>&nbsp;</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 08:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[braid backing : its all greek to me ]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=81458">the angler</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 84168<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Nov 2012 at 7:15am<br /><br />its all greek to me&nbsp;<img src="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" title="C&#111;nfused" />]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 07:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[braid backing :  No,the point I didn&amp;#039;t get...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=45692">dustin</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 84168<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Nov 2012 at 7:08am<br /><br /><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV>No,&nbsp;the point I didn't get was where you said only Makairas have the power and torque to handle braid. Quite an extraordinary statement really given the number of big fish that have been caught on non-Okuma reels spooled with braid or other heavier line.&nbsp; I don't really get why you'd wish to "<EM>wind the handle against the drag pressure you're using</EM>", either.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>To be perfectly fair, I certainly wouldn't mind cranking on a Makaira.&nbsp; If they're are powerful as you state I might never need to go into low gear - might not even need to pump and wind.&nbsp; </DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 07:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[braid backing :   I don&amp;#039;t think you get...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=45728">Peter Pakula</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 84168<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Nov 2012 at 11:13am<br /><br /><div>I don't think you get my point re the power of the reel versus line class. Try this exercise with a20, 30W &nbsp;50w on 12kg and then an 80w on 12kg, or try to emulate Josh W's efforts.</div><div></div><iframe width="560" height="350" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/u-9EkZaKAhQ&amp;feature=plcp"  frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe><div><br>If you can get these exrecises right then you'll loose far fewer fish. <br><br>The bigger reels which mostly means more powerfull grear boxes does = more fish to the boat in my experience.</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 11:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[braid backing : I certainly wish the Chinese would...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=45692">dustin</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 84168<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Nov 2012 at 10:18am<br /><br />I certainly wish the Chinese would produce a quality hollow spectra, just like JB.&nbsp; I use the solid stuff for economic reasons, but have more confidence in splices than loop to loop connections (in spectra).&nbsp; I&nbsp;like 100 lb+ spectra backing for thicker diameter/user friendliness but also because I'll never push a bimini in 100+ anywhere close to the limit.&nbsp; <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>JoshW ... I didn't have trouble turning the handle on a Tiagra50wlrs spooled with 80 on 36 lbs of drag either,&nbsp;though I did&nbsp;find it difficult to move around the cockpit (stand up fishing). &nbsp;Mind you, this was on only a 500+ atlantic blue marlin, maybe the fish was just too small.&nbsp; </DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[braid backing :   Bob it took over 20 years...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=45728">Peter Pakula</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 84168<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Nov 2012 at 10:03am<br /><br />Bob it took over 20 years but finally NSW GFC&nbsp;introduced&nbsp;line class tag and release a couple of years ago, previous to that line class wasn't relevant to tag and release points.&nbsp;<div>&nbsp;</div><div>Townsville GFC increased minimum size line class in tournament to 10kg and got a massive backlash.<br><br>Many Kiwis are over striped marlin on 37kg and are dropping down, some to 10kg a few to 15 and lots to 24.<br><br>Perhaps when braid gets cheaper as it surely will and a 24kg reel with 80lb IGFA&nbsp;braid doesn't cost the same or more than an 80 with dacron / mono perhaps ecconomic forces will have a bearing on the thinking.<br><br>Everyone now has sounders and GPS, but when they wrere too expensive for most boats to afford they were considered unfair, much like the attitude to sonar now and quite possibly is part of the attitude to IGFA braid.</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[braid backing :   dustin wrote: The answer could...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=45430">Bigfishbob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 84168<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Nov 2012 at 8:38am<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by dustin" alt="Originally posted by dustin" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>dustin wrote:</strong><br /><br /><DIV>The answer could be to open a new category of topshot class (rather than line class) records.&nbsp; The IGFA have added quite a few record categories in the last several years and&nbsp;it wouldn't totally surprise me if they did it. It's in their interest to have more people trying for and applying for records.&nbsp; National/Regional game fishing associations would probably do the same&nbsp;if there is enough grass roots pressure.&nbsp;</td></tr></table></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>That is a very good idea and possibly the way forward, creates it's own set of issues but may still be the answer.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by dustin" alt="Originally posted by dustin" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>dustin wrote:</strong><br /><br />off topic ... I have&nbsp;often wondered&nbsp;whether&nbsp;the famous Tuna Club quote that says the fish is "entitled to an even chance for his life" still has relevance today. Indeed, what does it actually mean?&nbsp; That&nbsp;you should give the&nbsp;fish a 50% chance to break the line?&nbsp;&nbsp;Back in those days everything was killed (I don't think the Tuna Club&nbsp;ever released a single bluefin)&nbsp;so the only way for a fish to get away alive was to break the line. There were probably enough fish around that if you broke one off you could give the fish three cheers and a hurrah.&nbsp; Yet&nbsp;if a fish&nbsp;breaks away with&nbsp;your lure, leader and&nbsp;however much line it managed to take, is that really giving it an "even chance"?&nbsp;&nbsp;You could say that today's anglers who&nbsp;mostly release&nbsp;billfish and let many other game fish go as well are giving those fish a much better chance for their lives.&nbsp; </DIV></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>My personal view is that these days people are more interested in catching fish and bettering personal bests, and get great brag photos of fish that get released. It could well be thta the whole issue of line class fishing could well be moot anyway. </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Maybe that has come about because most of the current weight records are almost max'd out anyway. I guess we'll find out how popular line class records are now that the length based records have now been opened up. It's a shame the IGFA didn't take the opportunity to introduce the tippet idea when the introduced the length records.</DIV>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[braid backing : mono or braid who cares its all...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=81458">the angler</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 84168<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 Nov 2012 at 6:14am<br /><br />mono or braid who cares its all about the adrenaline rush , out of this whole thread theres one piece of writing that gets me excited.<span ="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb123, 123, 123; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px; "><table ="tableBorder" align="center" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" style="font-size: 9pt; word-spacing: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-trans: n&#111;ne; font-family: Arial, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; width: 855px; text-align: left; border-top-width: 1px; border-right-width: 1px; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-width: 1px; border-top-style: solid; border-right-style: solid; border-bottom-style: solid; border-left-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb204, 204, 204; border-right-color: rgb204, 204, 204; border-bottom-color: rgb204, 204, 204; border-left-color: rgb204, 204, 204; : rgb255, 255, 255; table-layout: fixed; "><t style="font-size: 9pt; word-spacing: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-trans: n&#111;ne; font-family: Arial, Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif; "><tr ="msgOddTableRow" style="font-size: 12px; word-spacing: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-trans: n&#111;ne; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-weight: normal; line-height: 1.4; : rgb251, 251, 253; height: 200px; min-height: 200px; "><td valign="top" ="msgLineDevider" style="font-size: 13px; word-spacing: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-trans: n&#111;ne; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; border-top-style: solid; border-right-style: solid; border-bottom-style: solid; border-left-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb225, 227, 236; border-right-color: rgb225, 227, 236; border-bottom-color: rgb225, 227, 236; border-left-color: rgb225, 227, 236; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-top-width: 1px; "><div ="msg" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4; width: 706px; margin-top: 2px; margin-right: 2px; margin-bottom: 2px; margin-left: 2px; overflow-x: auto; overflow-y: auto; "><div>"&nbsp;A&nbsp;Blue&nbsp;marlin running fast, hard and long can still cook&nbsp;the drag on a 50 wide.&nbsp;"</div><div><br></div><div><img src="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" border="0" alt="Shocked" title="Shocked" /><br></div></div></td></tr></t></table></span>]]>
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