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Poll Question: What safety rules, if any, should be compulsory for boaties to obey?
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    Posted: 19 Nov 2012 at 3:58pm
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Given recent disasters at sea, what are your thoughts on NZs safety-at-sea rules. In this poll, let's see what everyone thinks would be a reasonable level of preparedness for boaties to have when heading out to sea.
Option one...    No rules for boats at all.

Option two...    The only necessity should be to have some PFD for each person on the boat, stored aboard.

Option three.... PFDs for all on board, but for boats under 6m, these are to be worn at all times.

Option four....   All boats should have a VHF, Flares and EPIRB as well as the PFD rules above.

Option five... Licensing and WoF for all boats, means that all the above options, PFDs, Full flare kits, VHF and EPIRBs should be carried on all boats (along with usual expected items like anchors, paddles etc too), to be checked every year by some Boat Licensing Authority, with Day Skipper courses and VHF licenses to be mandatory for all boat owners to be funded by license fees on boats. (that doesn't all fit in the little box)

If you have any other suggestions or thoughts, feel free to express them here as well.
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Option 3.

A simple legal requirement that any boat (new or otherwise) sold through a dealership must be sold with a VHF, EPIRB and flares. Within ONE year of this law being introduced any boat owner on the water (or proceeding to or from) without one of these safety packs is fined.

A minimum number of PFDs should also be a legal requirement, this is dependent upon boat size.
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Great thread mate; I'm sure it will bring up a lot of debate.
Just my two cents - It's a fine line

On the one hand we own a 6m boat, and head out with everything; flares, vhf x2, PFD's, EPIRB.
On the other, my friends 12ft tinny, we go out with a cellphone, life jackets and a vhf.
Why? because we pick our days, and know our limitations of both ourselves and the boat itself.

If everyone just used some common sense it wouldn't be made "mandatory" to take these things out, but like most things there are both some "muppets" out there and some people who are just plain unlucky.
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It shouldn't need to be mandatory - we live in a nanny state world already - anybody going out on the water should have enough cdf to take the necessary safety measures. There are an abundance of mandatory requirements for motor vehicles on the highway -  but this doesn't stop people ignoring them and killing or maiming themselves and innocent 3rd parties. Quad bikes on farms would be another example, age limit, head protection and minimum age - still plenty of deaths on these vehicles through ignoring the advise/rules. Darwanism should prevail - survival of the fittest/most adaptable. As the saying goes 'you can't fix stupid'. JJ Wink
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I'm not sure that an EPIRB would be much help if I'm close to shore within the limits of my 16 foot tinny, but I'm all for the other suggestions of VHF, PFD's, Flares and often overlooked, tell someone where your going, and update throughout the day.
 
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In my opinion, the rules as they are now is enough. Mandatory rules are only good if they can enforce them, it's law now to have and wear life jackets when required (put simply) and people still fail to do it, just like seat belts in cars, drink driving laws and speed limits, most of the people that cause problems ignore them anyway.. I think education is the key. Perhaps they could take the road tax out of the petrol we put in boats and use that to educate people on safe boating?
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Oh good. it's already been said. I was worried the replies would be all for tightening up regs and making more rules.. The very people the rules would be targeted at would be the first to ignore them unfortunately! Cry  as Raging Bull says EDUCATION IS THE KEY!

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rule #1: Don't be an idiot! (and go out 7 of you in a dingy when blowing 20+ knots)
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Ah yes, but what EXACTLY are the rules as they are now? Are they not option 3? What are the rules in your area?
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Originally posted by Capt Asparagus Capt Asparagus wrote:

Ah yes, but what EXACTLY are the rules as they are now? Are they not option 3? What are the rules in your area?
 
I might be wrong here as I've done my homework but....
 
The only rule is that you must have a life jacket on board for everyone on the boat that must fit that person.
 
It doesn't state that they have to be worn. My boat, my rules..... wear it or don't get on the boat.
 
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Making it compulsory for all boats to carry a VHF and EPIRB is going way over the top imo.


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Wearing a life jacket on the boat should be up to the individual IMHO. Depending on conditions, boat size, how far from shore, how old/young/capable/fit and confident they are, as well as an array of other factors that dictates when the PFD's come out. It is the skippers responsibility to make sure everyone on board has access to a PFD that fits and functions properly though. 
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COMMON SENSE. Thats all any one needs. What about drinking on boats? 1 or 2 is fine, but how many go over the top? And its not just private boaties. Ive been on 2 charters were the Skip has  either been pissed or over hung to buggery from the night beforeUnhappy
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Putting this in a bit of perspective the only reason we're all talking about this again is because a group of absolute muppets went out in a over loaded boat in 30 knot plus winds and didn't have any life jackets on board and as a result two people lost there lives....And because of these muppets people out there want to make it compulsory for all boats to carry a VHF and EPIRB? 
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Originally posted by 1Daz 1Daz wrote:

Making it compulsory for all boats to carry a VHF and EPIRB is going way over the top imo.





Yup I'm with you daz, I put my vote to option 2 I think, purely because I don't fish that far offshore to justify an epirb, but fully condone VHF and pfd's.

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It should be up to the individual... if they drown once, they're probably not going to do it again.


... Or much else for that matter



I carry VHF, EPIRB, PFDs, etc etc, but to force everyone to fork out for an EPIRB is a bit OTT 

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Originally posted by atis atis wrote:

rule #1: Don't be an idiot! (and go out 7 of you in a dingy when blowing 20+ knots)
 
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Originally posted by johnybegood johnybegood wrote:

On the one hand we own a 6m boat, and head out with everything; flares, vhf x2, PFD's, EPIRB.
On the other, my friends 12ft tinny, we go out with a cellphone, life jackets and a vhf.
Why? because we pick our days, and know our limitations of both ourselves and the boat itself.
 
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we all go boating in different boats in different conditions for diffrent reasons - that is why the Queen Elizabeth has lifeboats, and my boat does not, and why a P class does not need a VHF or an EPIRB.
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It is already option 3 in Southland.

Section 2.1 clause 6:
Every person on board a craft—
(a) that is less than 6 metres in length must wear a properly secured personal flotation
device;

Another rule that I wasn't aware of (although I have this covered anyway):
2.2 Communications equipment
1 Every person in charge of a craft must ensure that an appropriate means of communication
is carried on board the craft that:
(a) provides the ability to communicate with land based and/or seaborne parties from any
point within the area the craft will be operated; and
(b) in the case of vessels under 6 metres in length, is able to be operated following
submersion in sea water; and
(c) is adequate to provide communications for the duration of the voyage.

Source: http://www.es.govt.nz/download.aspx?f=/media/8013/navigation-safety-bylaws-july-2009.pdf
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None, having stupid people live longer isn't good for the rest of us. I'm sure this country got stupider when the health & safety legislation got introduced. Tongue
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Originally posted by Finatic Finatic wrote:

It should be up to the individual... if they drown once, they're probably not going to do it again.


... Or much else for that matter





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