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I'll post this question here as the "is it legal" forum is closed..
 
I queried mfish a while back about the use of drag nets and Grey Mullet , with the minimum size being 85mm mesh for dragnets,

The information i received was that if you caught grey mullet in a piper net (25mm mesh) you would have to release the Grey Mullet captured.

I just watched Placemakers big angry fish aired on 3rd of June 2012 and they caught and kept Grey Mullet caught in what looks like a piper net mesh size. Rangiputa Estuary

What are the rules? did they break them or because their is no minimum size for Grey Mullet you can keep them as by catch?

The reason i ask is as a kid dragging my bait net we used to keep all the grey mullet caught also.
 
I have emailed mfish again to get some clarity on this one.
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I would also like an answer to this question. I catch bait fish in a small mesh casting net, mostly sprats and piper but occasionally juvenile grey mullet. The mesh size is way below the posted minimum for grey mullet so is this legal?
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Yes and we've caught flounder and John Dory in drag sprat nets...so who here is with out sin then?Big smile
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we net koi carp in the waikato river and smaller tributary streams with a smallmesh net and also catch the occasional mullet as a bycatch when doing this. ( I'd love to be able to say that the trout we hauled up many years ago swam away but all i can say is the mullet were a damn sight tastier,and i have carried the almost unbearable guilt around with me ever since.)
I use a cast net for small baitfish with small mesh and seen countless others doing so as well,with mullet a common catch and even being targeted.Dont even think you can get a large mesh cast net ?
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I forgot about flounder as i also used to keep them if they were legal size and caught in my sprat net...
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haha BrianD, the guy that used to catch my Goldfish for me from the waikato also used to get mullet/trout/salmon/koi/eels/catfish all in eel nets...
amazing what swims up that river at times....

as for the Grey Mullet, say just thought they were sprats.... 
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whoa... Salmon up the waikato river now thats exciting!!! Heard of the odd Salom being caught at the 60m mark off rags but up the river... now could someone drop 500,000 fingerlings in the river and start a whole new industry in the region?? 
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Originally posted by Lethal Lethal wrote:

haha BrianD, the guy that used to catch my Goldfish for me from the waikato also used to get mullet/trout/salmon 

Far out Lethal, how often did this happen? I've heard a yarn about salmon being hooked in the upper Whanganui by fly fishos (never landed, but far too big to be a trout etc.). I also heard of a trawler getting one off the Mohaka river mouth.
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that would be awesome if there was salmon in the waikato? I guess they would end up spawing in the upper reaches of the lake taupo rivers?
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Originally posted by fatjimmy fatjimmy wrote:

that would be awesome if there was salmon in the waikato? I guess they would end up spawing in the upper reaches of the lake taupo rivers?
Doubt it.
There's a few obstacles to  pass on the way up the Waikato that'd stop them getting to Taupo.
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Originally posted by herby herby wrote:

Originally posted by fatjimmy fatjimmy wrote:

that would be awesome if there was salmon in the waikato? I guess they would end up spawing in the upper reaches of the lake taupo rivers?
Doubt it.
There's a few obstacles to  pass on the way up the Waikato that'd stop them getting to Taupo.
 
True but in some countries it is law that fish ladders must be incorporated
into any man made obstacles, maybe we could do the same, after all "Salmon
in the Waikato" sounds so much nicer than "The Yemen"
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I was under the impression that the Waikato dams already have some system in place for the eels to get past?
It's the Huka falls that probably pose the biggest obstacle, and that isn't man made. Going on the lack of eels in Taupo, it seems like a pretty effective barrier.  
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Originally posted by herby herby wrote:

I was under the impression that the Waikato dams already have some system in place for the eels to get past?
It's the Huka falls that probably pose the biggest obstacle, and that isn't man made. Going on the lack of eels in Taupo, it seems like a pretty effective barrier.  
 
Yep ... remembered about the Huka falls soon after I posted that comment.
 
Then again would it be such a bad thing if eels did make it into Taupo after all
trout & eels co exist almost everywhere else & would be great if they favoured
eating baby catfish ove young trout & smelt.
 
Guess it is only a dream & is not going to happen given the stance of various
organisations fostering the elimination of non indigenous species.
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I understand there are no eels in Lake Taupo due to the high amount of pumice deposits that rub the natural slime off the eels underbelly and they would die. Some of the tributary streams into the lake hold eels but they have a different source with no pumice sediment present.
I've only heard this from some experienced trout fisho's so not sure of the science.
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Originally posted by thumbs_1 thumbs_1 wrote:

I understand there are no eels in Lake Taupo due to the high amount of pumice deposits that rub the natural slime off the eels underbelly and they would die. Some of the tributary streams into the lake hold eels but they have a different source with no pumice sediment present.
I've only heard this from some experienced trout fisho's so not sure of the science.
 
That makes sense & have often wondered why they are not in Lake Taupo
when eels are capable of moving overland in wet conditions for quite a distance
in stages ...... so thanks for posting that explanation thumbs1
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There are eels in taupo
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There are salmon caught in the waikato from time to time,be quite interesting to find out how common it is.  500,000 fingerlings would be a nice feed for the catfish that infest the river and every little stream and ditch off it though. The eels dont really seem to have much effect on catfish numbers.
 
Be nice to have a sport fish like salmon swimming in there than trout anyday.
 
The eels get to the karapiro Dam and swim up the concrete suface at night,ive seen then doing it when targeting koi and mullet at the base of the dam.Biggest ive seen doing it though were ones about as thick as your wrist.  I have seen them going up some pretty tall waterfalls in the south island ,they sort of slither up the rock beside the waterfall,but i guess the Huka falls has a bit more flow than most.
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From a paper written in 1890 -
 
For the purposes of this paper we use the name Taupo-nui-a-Tia as describing Lake Taupo and its watershed. It includes the lake and all the streams running into it, the Poutu Strewn, Roto-a-Ira and the streams running into it. The area is a very large one. It extends from the water-shed between the Rangitikei and Whangaehu Rivers, which flow towards the west coast of the North Island, and the sources of the Waikato Rivers, which flow into the Taupo Lake, on to some distance beyond the northern end of the lake, a distance from north to south of over sixty miles. From east to west it extends from the summits of the Kaimanawa Ranges to Hauhungaroa and Hurakia Ranges, a distance of about fifty miles. Its area would be reckoned at about 2,000 square miles. Throughout the whole of this large area the eel, that great source of valuable food to Maoris in other more favoured districts, was practically unknown. There are stories of large eels having been caught in Roto-a-Ira in days gone by. but none for many years past. Sonic women are supposed to have seen an eel in the Toka-anu Stream quite recently, but it was not caught. Eels are caught in the small streams running in to the Whanganui River which have their source on the slopes of Tongariro. They are plentiful on the side towards Whanganui, but there are none on the side towards Roto-a-Ira. The eels known to have been caught in Roto-a--Ira would be a few enterprising explorers from the Whanganui streams. I have been told of eels having been caught in other rivers and carried alive to Taupo and liberated with the idea of stocking the lake. It is said that some members of the Armed Constabulary caught some eels in a tributary of the Mohaka and liberated them in Roto-ngaio, a small lake that empties itself into Taupo. Of course, all such attempts ended in failure.
 
 
 
And this doesnt sound good for our eels population.
 

Catfish versus eels

Brown bullhead catfish is another species that is easily spread, probably by accident in eel nets and boat trailers. DOC is carefully monitoring its colonisation within Lake Taupo. It appears that the trout fishery here is safe because the main food of trout is smelt, whereas for adult catfish it is freshwater crayfish (koura). This is bad news for the koura in Taupo and for koura in the rivers and streams now colonised by catfish. Koura are the main prey for large eels in rivers and eel fishers tell us that eels have declined where catfish occur. Competition for food between large eels and catfish may therefore be an issue in some rivers where they are abundant.

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in 8 years he caught 2 salmon, heaven knows how many trout...
most interesting catch was a pure yellow eel, which the Maoris come and removed, they are sacred to them, even the half yellow ones they come and got...
but these were few and far between, bit like the salmon....
considering he made a very good living from catching eels they were soon brought under control as the numbers dropped dramatically after the first 5 years, i think there is only one guy doing it now....
Cat fish are prolific and can reach 2/3kg in size...
you can make good money selling the Goldfish, i was being payed $8/10 each for them, they were 20/25cm in length and come in yellow/black red/black red/white quite good for outside ponds....

     
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There is an annual spearfishing cull of catfish in Lake Taupo (hand spears only) and I believe they shot over 1000 this year.
There are large numbers of both eels and catfish in the Waikato Rivers and lakes but the catfish are bottom feeders so not often seen. They are the small bullhead catfish and they have clean white flesh and are quite good eating but of course very bony at that size. I understand they were introduced in mistake for channel catfish which are much bigger and grow to over 100lb
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