theres alot of history at the top of the south 

amazing things like this still getting diacovered

One tribe had its MDNA traced back to iran,as mentioned in the tribes stories,they always knew where and when they came from........

 

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for those that are sceptical and care to read

 

cut and paste from website.

New Zealand’s early history was openly outlined in books available to schools. Suddenly, books were withdrawn, a new ‘revised’ history appeared and the original, pre-Maori inhabitants disappeared from public view.

Maori have always spoken of a race of fairer skinned people who preceded them. They called them "Patu-paiarehe" or Turehu, and some still trace a shared lineage. In 1867, a Ngati Whatua Tohunga (amongst other things the Tohunga was a tribal historian whos job it was to memorise and recite the tribes family tree) stated that the Ngati Whatua came to New Zealand from the Cook Islands nine generations earlier, making landfall at a place called Hatarau (Little Barrier Island).

Arriving there they encountered a race a people with "fairer complexions than those of the Maori" (with a reddish/bronze tinge) their hair was of the dull golden or reddish hue , whom they called uru-kehu (which is a word that describes the hair colour). They took the women to breed from - the males as slaves and food.

Note: Waitaha (the "first" peoples) comprised three different peoples:

1) The Moriori, (dark, brown-skinned like the maori) who at the time were said to be giants, ranging between 6 and 8 ft tall and superb gardeners.

2) The Urukehu/(Kerepehu/Patupaiarehe), a people with "fairer complexions than those of the Maori" (with a reddish/bronze tinge) their hair was of the dull golden or reddish hue “uru-kehu,” said to be of much smaller stature (between 3.5-5 ft tall) also known as the Starwalkers who were skilled at reading the geometry of the stars and were the navigators guiding the people to this land.

3) The Kiritea or Stone people, who came from Asian lands (Kiritea is a shade of brown lighter than Maori with a tinge of yellow) these peoples ultimately integrated to form one people the "Waitaha"

Cont:
There are Maori who speak of babies stolen long ago by a "fairy people" who hid in the bush, only coming out at night – an understandable action given he circumstances. I think they wanted to replace thier people who were being killed faster than they could breed. It is also highly possible that children taken were born to their own women captured by Maori.

One of the sub-tribes of the Patu-paiarehe was called the Ngati Hotu, pockets of whom still survive today (with maori blood also). Here’s a description of them from Maori oral history: "Generally speaking, Ngati Hotu were of medium height and of bronze-fair colouring. In the majority of cases they had reddish hair. They were referred to as urukehu.

It is said that during the early stages of their occupation of Taupo they did not practice tattooing as later generations did, and were spoken of as "te tamariki a Rangi" (the children of heaven) because of their fair skin. There were two distinct types: One had bronze skin, a round face, small eyes and thick protruding eyebrows. The other was the Turehu. They had white hair and buey-green eyes. They were fair-skinned, much smaller in stature, with larger and very handsome features." Note: The cavern dwellings and stone walls of these people can still be seen at Taupo, but are unprotected and under threat from development.

My step-father was close friends with a man who said he was the last full blooded Moriori and that (at 92yrs) he was not long for this world. He told him "i have a secret to share with you my friend, this is something that only i know as its too dangerous for me to share. But i need to share it with someone i trust before i go (from this world) you must promise me to only share this with another if you too are about to pass on or to protect it, if the place becomes threatened.

He then took him to "the caves" where he saw many bones and also wall drawings and his friend explained it all. He kept this to himself for about 40 years. Then one day when i was about 16 he was reading the local paper and leapt up off his chair yelling "quick find Noel Hilliams number" (Noel the old curator of the local museum) (my step-father had read that they had started excavations in the cave area...it had come tme to tell the secret his friend had entrusted to him) and then it all grew from there, along with my interest in my ancestory.

A cache of bones was found in the Kaipara District in 2005 in a cave. Investigations were handed over to Noel Hilliam, retired Curator of the Dargaville Maritime Museum, and his team of researchers. The skeletons showed that there were, at least, three distinct physical types of pre-Maori interned there, ranging from the very tall people (around 7 to 8 feet in height - 2.4 metres), to people of normal stature, to the very small pygmy people.

 

 

I was going to ask you to expand on this, but on second thoughts DONT.

 

Maori it is commonly excepted where perefctly capable of intricatly  carving bone, Ponamu, and wood,  constructing weaved fishing nets form  Flax building ocean going multi hulled canoes...........but the thought of stacking some locally sourced stones on top of each other to form a wind break for kumara is to much to accept?

 

 

 

 

Addit:

Fish feeder:

I think your dad took you hook line and sinker, Tommy Solomon  was born and lived on the chathams, can you think of any reason he would whakapapa back to the Kaipara and be finding caves in Nga Puhi, that no one else knew about?  Retorical question, DONT answer it

 

 

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All im saying is there is evidence of other races here before maori,but it is the local "iwi" that get the decision to destroy it all,why is that if I may ask?

Ive been to the waipoa forest myself when I lived in waihui up there,and i got a nice note left on my car when I got back saying I was a tresspasser and that next time I would pay for it,what are people trying to hide up there,surely they should be proud of their heritage and what they made,if infact they did.

Its the countrys history,not one select peoples history

 

Have you considered the note was left on your car by some Waimamaku fella who was concerned you where about to stumble on there crop?  Not the  "people"  just one person.....

 

Heres the article on skeletons found in various areas.....cut and pasted PDF

 

The sons of Adam and Eve fought, Cain killed Able, what did modern mans ancestors do to his brothers the Neanderthals, most say that they where killed off! Similarities!

 

 

SOME I THINK ARE UNDENIABLE FACTS OF MAORI PLACE NAME ,RELIGION AND CULTURE BEFORE PAKHEYA.FIRSTLY THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I BELIEVE TO BE TRUE ABOUT THIS SO CALLED CONSPIRACY THEORY OF INDO GREEK SAILORS SETTLING IN PACIFIC.I SPEAK A FORM OF GREEK WHICH IS PROBABLY IS THE CLOSEST FORM OF GREEK TO ANCIENT GREEK IN MODERN TIME, IONIAN FROM CONSTANTINOPOLIS. I HAVE NOT HEARD MAORI BEFORE OR READ IT. IM NOW READING SOME MAORI AND UNDERSTANDING THERE BELIEF AND LANGUAGE JUST BY SAYING SOME THINGS IN IONIC GREEK SAILOR SLANG(MY GRANDFATHER WAS A SAILOR.)OAMOURU IS PLACE OF SAND IN GREEK O AMMOU OR O AMMOURAE.... OMARAMA MEANS THE ROCKS IN GREEK???????OK WHAT IS THIS PLACE FAMOUS FOR ???OPAGOU IS PLACE OF ICE IN GREEK>> IN MAORI> OTAGO ?????? CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE OTAGO CAME FROM???SO YOU SEE HOW MAORIS ARE DESCENDENDED FROM INDO GREEK SAILORS THAT WENT BEYOND THE MAPPED WORLD UNFORTUNATELY IT WAS A ONE WAY TRIP.. THEY CAME IN SEVEN CANOES FROM THE NORTH . THEY ALREADY SETTLED IN NEW CALEDONIA. MICRONESIA,TAHITI MOOREA COOK ISLANDS .THEY MIXED WITH LOCAL MELANESIAN AND WERE LIKE ROYALTY.. SOON THE FEATURES OF THE PEOPLE WERE CHANGED . STRAIGHT HAIR LIGHTER SKIN . Expert boat builders and sea faring was a greek SAILORS way of life. His boat VAKA? IN GREEK.. WAKA ???? IN MAORI.. was his woman his son his daughter .IT WAS HIS RELIGION THEY SOON EXPLORED WHOLE OF NEW ZEALAND AND A LOT OF EVIDENCE IS AROUND. GREEKS WOULD HAVE PRAYING AREAS MADE OF ROCK LIKE SMALL SHRINES TO PRAY TO GODS ON LONG JOURNEYS THROUGH TREACHEROUS MOUNTAINS..THEY WERE USUALLY BUILT BY THE SIDE OF THE PATH .THESE ROCKS THAT ARE FORMED IN SOME PLACES ARE THE REMAINS OF THIS.YOU TOUCH THEM.... BAD TIKI. ?GREEK TICHI ?..MEANS.LUCK . YET ANOTHER GREEK WORD. HAERE MAI ....IS.. HAERE TAI ....IN GREEK HELLO WELCOME ?? DO YOU SEE WHAT WE ARE SAYING.?? WE HAVE TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ON THIS BECAUSE FOR INSTANCE OTAGO DOES NOT HAVE A ORIGIN FOR NAME?? I TELL YOU IT IS OPAGOU??. PAGOU IS ICE ..OPAGOU IS PLACE OF ICE.... PLEASE CAN YOU NOT DISREGARD THIS . THIS IS ONLY A FRACTION OF EVIDENCE THAT IS AVAILABLE MAORI > NGA MAHI KOHURU A NGA PUHI . TO LEARN OR DO AND TO SAY OR TEACH ?
IN GREEK> NA MATHE KAI NA PEHI ??? . TO LEARN OR DO AND TO SAY OR TEACH. IT IS THE SAME FROM ORAL RELIGION PASSED DOWN.?? MATARIKI IS GREEK SAILOR SLANG FOR EYES OVER THERE, MEANING SAILING STARS PLEIADES! GREEKS AND ROMANS WERE EXCLUDED FROM OTHER EUROPEANS AS NOT BEING PAKHEAS WHY??? BECAUSE INDO GREEK PEOPLE ARE A PART OF MAORI PEOPLE FOR SURE THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY DOUBT.. WHY SHOULD THERE BE CONSPIRACIES??? ONLY TRUTHS SHOULD NOT BE SWEPT UNDER THE CARPET????. I MEAN DONT YOU WANT TO KNOW TRUE MEANING OF THE BEAUTIFUL PLACE YOU HAVE THERE IN CENTRAL OTAGO. THERE IS NO ORIGIN FOR NAME . IM NOT WELL EDUCATED AT ALL AND WOULD THINK THAT EDUCATED PEOPLE WOULD FIND OUT LIKE I HAVE...THIS IS NOT SOME SAILORS STOPPING FOR A BREAK. THIS IS MAORI CULTURE, RELIGION PLACE NAMES AND LANGUAGE..... MAORI NGA MAHI KOHULU A NGA PUHI ..... GREEK NA MATHE KAINA PEHI ... THIS MEANS TO LEARN AND DO THEN TO SAY AND TEACH . IT IS GREEK NO DOUBT . NOW IT IS MAORI OF COURSE MAORIS ARE WONDERFUL CULTURED PEOPLE. HAKA IS ACHAE WHICH MEAN TO THUNDER WITH VOICE LIKE ECHO IN ENGLISH WAS TAKEN FROM GREEK ACHAE.IM WRITING IN ROMAN TEXT SO I DONT COMPLICATE. BORA BORA IN TAHITI MEANS SUNSHOWER IN GREEK BUT TWICE BECAUSE OF TWO MOUNTAIN.

There are links in most languages around the world, a lot in indigenous languages. Mata - is also referred to as eyes throughout Polynesia, the wider pacific and parts of SE Asia. Basing the word matariki to summate greek physical presence throughout the pacific well... Those are assumptions and suppositions at best. Good ones to question, pursue and research further, but suppositions none the less. 

They kind of read as ramblings of someone who has gone off the deep end, not always a bad thing to get to the source. Not the most coherently written piece. All over the show.  There could well be some truth and validity laid in there somewhere, pretty wild thou.

We have been looking at ancient texts of a 'great explorer' from Egypt called Mo'w'e'. That's getting fairly interesting.

Interesting about the old maori language as well.a old maori at the aunties resthome says he cannot fully understand the spoken maori on te kare?maori news.

http://www.elocal.co.nz/view_Article~id~122%20%20%20%20%20%20%20.html

interesting