Rats
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Printed Date: 29 Jul 2026 at 3:09am
Topic: Rats
Posted By: smudge
Subject: Rats
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2015 at 11:26pm
I have had issues with rats getting into my garage, it's a messy garage and I have chicken food stored there. I live rural and use baits when I notice rats around, plus I shoot them which is much more fun. Despite having four cats and a temporary dog staying here a rat has got onto my boat and eaten parts of my hand held GPS and the handle on my used once Stradic, my Thunnus and the foam around the butt section of my Synit Hellbent. I don't know why that has happened all of a sudden.
Do the electronic rodent controllers work? I'm pretty sceptical that they do.
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Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 2:49am
Normally smell of a cat is enough.are they normal rats or water rats?wouldn't of thought it would make a difference though.
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Posted By: Stuck Here
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 4:23am
Having tried two different brands of those rodent repellant devices, I would state they didn't work to any measurable degree. In fact found one rat hole chewed through the shed wall only six feet from where one was plugged in, whilst it was supposed to be keeping them away. I cut back on feeding my two cats so much, that worked better.
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Posted By: MacSkipper
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 6:28am
smudge wrote:
Despite having four cats and a temporary dog
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Sounds like you are feeding your cats to much fish and they prefer this to rats Smudge? If they are water rats they will be too big and aggressive for cats to handle - you need a small dog that goes for them - I think Jack Russell do this pretty well? Probably best to remove food supply from the area by putting in plastic bins and hit poison baits hard - its that time of year when they move inside.
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Posted By: Snappa Geoff
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 7:58am
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Rats Smudge starting to wreck the fishing gear! Can't have that. Don't know how but they find there way into ceiling at home and bach now and then.I use Storm secure bait. It says nail one bait to framing timber. I load up a four inch nail with three of them and place a few around. They pig out on it, drives them to water and die, apparently. Works for me, good luck.
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Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 8:07am
An old hot rodding trick for stored cars over winter.. may not be vewry PC these days thu. Have a 20L bucket 1/2 fill with water....on top of the water flaot some polystyrene.. blocks beads whatever... so the water cant be seen. In the middle have a block with some nice tasy aromatic bait/ food... apparently chocolate base is good.
off a ledge bench or stool have a plank the rat can walk up to jump into the bucket to get the bait.
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Posted By: kiwifred
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 8:21am
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every winter we get invaded by mice in the house. tried poison. doesnt seem to work even to the extent the mice chew through the plastic container to get it. electronic repellent doesnt work. local cats dont get a look in as our dog is pretty keen on eating them (the cats that is). so its traps for me... lots and lots of traps. inside outside in the roof under the floor. seems to keep them under control but never seem to get completley rid of them
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Posted By: yknot
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 8:39am
If using rat pellets leave some water out for them to drink, the poison can make them thirsty and they could start chewing on what they think is water pipes to get a drink.
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Posted By: Tagit
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 10:14am
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We have just been experimenting with an electronic (ultrasound) device in part of our ceiling. We are surrounded by bush and despite 2 cats and a dog that doesn't like rats we still get a few every winter. Only had this ultrasonic thing for a few weeks, but there does appear to be a rat free zone around where we put it into the ceiling. Wouldn't bet my life on it just yet, but am going to get another one for another part of the ceiling to see what happens.
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Posted By: jonocoogee
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 10:19am
I used to mix a bit of cement dust in with some food fkr the rats. Then a drink of water next to it for when they are thirsty. Water sets cement and rat is history.
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Posted By: G R
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 10:22am
prevention is the key have bait stations with poison in them all year round to keep the numbers down and prevent them from breeding,the problem with rats is if they were born in or close to a shed or house they will return year after year to breed there again or when the weather gets colder, and there young will do the same this can go on for years until you kill all the generations that were born in that area
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Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 11:12am
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Easy solution smudge. Store all rods & reels in the bedroom & have the wife guard them. Also, if you feel the need for a fondle in the middle of the night , they're right there, at hand 
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Posted By: corosanta
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 11:13am
Spent years killing rats and mice. Electronic thingies don't work but good block rat bait (same as used by those on Kiwi Conservation Blocks) does.
For years, we had a female sausage-dog/terrier cross and she was the best deterrent and killing machine ever. Even carried out monitored trials with her compared to specially laid baits....she won hands down.
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Posted By: snapperdave
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 1:49pm
I use these at work & at home http://www.raticator.co.nz/ Kills all sizes of rodents, you can leave it in shed or ceiling for months on same batteries - once you get one just tip it out & reset. Dates seem to be best bait - last for months if no rodents about & still attract any that turn up. Unlike poison you dont get rotten rats stinking out your shed or ceiling. Mate just moved to country where there were heaps of rats, borrowed my trap & killed 30 odd in no time at all. Now numbers have fallen but he's bought himself one of these & is leaving it set & getting a couple a week. Still using original date bait......
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Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 2:38pm
Some good ideas there thanks. I've been a keen rat shooter and trapper since I was a kid, I may have killed more rats than I have caught gurnard but this year they have me beat. I used to find spring and cage traps very effective but they are no longer working and if they do I'm only getting very small rats in them. I'm 100% certain the older rats have seen their mates caught and have learned from that.
I have plenty of bait but have stopped poisioning them as I don't want my cats eating them and they do eat rats. The little dog is a foxy but in the two weeks we've had it I've never had so much rat damage. At night I sometimes sit in the garage and wait for the rats to show so I can shoot them with my old 22 air rifle .
I have found a bucket of water very effective for mice but have never caught a rat in it. I have set one up outside for rats but it needs a roof as it's filling up with water - you only want enough in there so the rats cant stand up.
I've gone back to poisoning and hope my cats don't get poisoned. Maybe the cats are driving the rats into the garage where they feel safe.
Was hoping an ultrasound would do the trick but I doubt it will. Good tip on the dates for bait, I have used cheese, peanut butter, bread, bacon rind and animal fat. Peanut butter works well when it's fresh. About the only thing these horrible creatures haven't chewed is the bag holding the rat bait. Grrrr.
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Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 2:51pm
bit like the flie at night,as soon as you get the spray they dissapear,maybe getting amuned to the poison?
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Posted By: Big Manly Yaka
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 3:11pm
I had occasional signs and noises of rats inside the ceiling and outside - especially around the filleting table, I think from the dogs bones he buries as well. Last time (about a year ago) I set spring loaded plastic traps in the ceiling and nabbed a couple, and the noises stopped. Although after not checking the traps for some time I found one that had been chewed so badly it looked someone had taken an angle grinder to it. More than half of the front lid was completely gone. Outside I also found a couple drowned in the big plastic bin that sits under the sink in the filleting table, fallen in with no way out. Recently I've heard them again, so I've got the old school heavy duty wooden traps, hopefully cut the buggers in half. By the way we have a Fox Terrier (crossed with various...) and he is completely useless. Wouldn't know what to do with a rat if he caught it. Going to try the dates in the traps as I used Peanut butter last time but they seemed to go off it.
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Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 3:29pm
Just feed them a few drops of whatever it was Bazza gave you to drink on Saturday night. That will get em.
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Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 3:40pm
cirrus wrote:
Just feed them a few drops of whatever it was Bazza gave you to drink on Saturday night. That will get em.
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I'm not that cruel Cirrus!
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Posted By: Don18025
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 3:48pm
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Smudge, if you were out fishing more often the gear and boat would not be in the shed. Problem solved.
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Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 3:53pm
smudge wrote:
cirrus wrote:
Just feed them a few drops of whatever it was Bazza gave you to drink on Saturday night. That will get em.
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I'm not that cruel Cirrus!
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May not kill them but will make them silly as a chook .... did for Smudge anyway !
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Posted By: NZTurtle
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 6:42pm
You sure the foxy isn't chewing things?
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Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 7:35pm
No the dog hasn't been in there and the reel handles have rat chew marks on them, I have a heap of fishing gear in there but the handles both got chewed overnight . they were the only reels I had used that day too, they had been cleaned but something must have appealed to the rats. Maybe the CRC taste 
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Posted By: krow
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 8:37pm
If you want another long term bait that aint a date. Macadamia nuts are the bees knees. I've used them for years and nab rats all the time. I've trained the dogs to sniff out when rats are about so I know when one comes visiting. Once they come for a visit they never leave  .
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Posted By: Kevin.S
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2015 at 8:38pm
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I think they like rubbery foamy stuff, like fishing rod handles. I had rats in the garage and they ate part of a foam pool noodle that was in there. Liking the look of that electric zapper thing, I could get one of those and put the flashing indicator in the garage window. Then when it had caught something and needed to be emptied I could see from the house instead of checking traps every day.
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Posted By: fish-feeder
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2015 at 10:05am
try some plaster and jam mixed together...nails lots o rats for me
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Posted By: krow
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2015 at 5:38pm
fish-feeder wrote:
try some plaster and jam mixed together...nails lots o rats for me | Sounds good. How does it kill them I would think it would stay soft and just pass through their system. How long does the plaster stay powder/soft when in the bait format? More on the how too would be good and I'll give it a go as I have the ingredients.I took this pic tonight and this is just a weeks worth of Macadamia husks since I filled in the hole under the tree that the dogs dug trying to get to a rat. The tree beside this one has a birds nest overflowing with the same things. No rats here 
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Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2015 at 6:47pm
Ha Ha. Got one today. Legal size too. Set a trap after noticing rat **** in the boat. One dead rat. Have a cat that gets lots of rats. Even two in a night. But they cant get them all. Question. If you have a cat or dog and lay rat baits and your pet catches and eats a poisoned rat will that kill the cat or dog.?
Think there are some big super rats around. Last summer something kept eating my strawberries. Set a trap under the net so cat or bird couldnt get caught. Caught a number of small rats. One day found the trap gone and was a couple of metres away . In the trap was a rat skin and tail. Rest had been eaten. Assume a bigger rat.
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Posted By: cypri
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2015 at 7:28pm
you know where i live smudge - was rat city here before we moved in ! not one here now, remember i was a gamekeeper ! give me a bell when ya free we can get our hands on some proper bait ! and the raticater DOES work even on unfortunate cats !
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Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2015 at 10:32pm
If your cat / dog take poison.. source some Vit K We where adding a supplement that as a side issue had trace Vit K....lad pelts in the safety room of the aviaries....and a prize King parrot got thru, and well into the pellet... was a good 12hrs before realized Ran the Vet who gave me a VitK tablet they give t dogs/ cats for same reason. Estimated the weight of a Dog (was a dog tablet) worked out how many 'birds' to a dog...spread the contents of the capsule out on a smooth surface and divided into that many piles....then rolled each pile into a little bit of butter. The Vet , Friends, other breeders, us all thought he would die. Well he didnt even have the decency to get bloody unwell....He went on to become a house parrot for many yrs. So maybe if laying baits around, worried about pets, maybe pre dosing them with Vit K tablets or something in their diet??? Vit K is found in raw palm oil..
The mention above about mixing powder.. I rem my Dad mixing baits some were borax powder and others plaster of paris .. which goes hard in the stomach.. think the borax may have been for ants??
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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2015 at 8:07am
200gm pink n white benthos.
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Posted By: krow
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2015 at 10:48am
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Latest "discovery" near/under a nearby Olive tree. Winter storage? I'd say we don't have a problem at all.  This isn't any digging by me or the dogs. I guess the rats decided they ran out of room in their burrow and are doing some home renovations. Set 4 traps last night. All empty this morning. I might need to use a different bait than the nuts as they obviously have enough.
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Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2015 at 11:41am
Thanks all. Cypri, the bait I have works a treat but I've been reluctant to use it because of the pets. I've got it pet proofed just worried now about them eating poisoned rats and getting sick.
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Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2015 at 8:50am
When rats move into somewhere they spread their sent around, signaling to other rats it's a great place to be, like warm dry roof spaces. So, they won't stop coming if you poison them. The trick is to stop all possible entry points or fix the one's they have made. If you do poison rats in a roof space and you have a water tank be careful. Rats leave the premises to seek water when poisoned, but if in a roof cavity their water supply is usually your roof water guttering.
Cat's can be good if kept partially feed. Their sent alone will deter rodents. Personally I don't like cats and the destruction they create to our native wildlife.
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Posted By: fish-feeder
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2015 at 9:09am
if using the old sprung traps...file the end of the trigger pin a little,as it has a small lip from the manufacturing process that sometimes lets the rat raid the trap without it setting it off.....hair trigger trap ready to kill. Start with a bit of jam and peanut butter mixed together on the trap to get them keen,then mix some plaster with the jam and keep re baiting till they get a taste for it. Ive found that if there is an easy food source near,you are going to find it hard to nail them.Once they start eating the jam/plaster mix,you wont need a trap.
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Posted By: Big Manly Yaka
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2015 at 12:16pm
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Just nabbed two over the weekend. I bought a couple of those old-school wooden spring traps from Mitre10. Bloody strong traps, reckon they would break a finger if you got it wrong! Took the earlier advice on this forum and used dates as bait. Both rats still had their teeth in the date when I found them, so at least they went out quick and enjoying the moment!
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Posted By: Cigar
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2015 at 6:25pm
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I just bought a couple of those traps, and some dates. No luck yet, I've been prefeeding with cut up dates but nothings eating them, now trying cat biscuits.
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Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2015 at 8:50pm
Bait my rat trap with PICS really good crunchy peanut butter. Rats never tire of it.
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Posted By: kiwifred
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2015 at 8:17am
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same... tried dates.... nothing... switched back to peanut butter.... bang 3 mice overnight
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Posted By: Big Manly Yaka
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2015 at 9:39am
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Got another rat last night on the date bait in the same spot as the others, although I have the second trap baited with a date in a different location - where I have actually seen a rat in the morning- and that one hasn't been touched since Friday. Might try peanut butter on that one and see what happens....
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Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2015 at 10:18am
Like fishing maybe....its trying different baits, lures depends what works on that that in that area.???
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Posted By: Big Manly Yaka
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2015 at 1:37pm
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yeah harder to fillet though Steps...
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Posted By: MacSkipper
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2015 at 2:04pm
Don't Trout get caught with mice in there stomachs? - maybe big trout eat baby water rats to?
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Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2015 at 2:09pm
Can just see it at the bait shop. One pack of pillys and 5 assorted rats please. Would work well on Catfish.
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Posted By: krow
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2015 at 8:12pm
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Well I still can't nail mine and tried all of the above baits. Buggers are too well fed. I'll have to wait till they run out of the nuts I'm thinking.
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Posted By: Raging Bull
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2015 at 8:25pm
I'm jelious I don't have any rats, sounds like fun trying to get em!
Only time I ever had problems with them was under the slats in the calf shed floor, a crow bar worked well there!
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Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2015 at 9:11pm
Raging Bull wrote:
I'm jelious I don't have any rats, sounds like fun trying to get em!
Only time I ever had problems with them was under the slats in the calf shed floor, a crow bar worked well there! |
It's your lucky day Bull, I've just sent of a nice big box of them best of all it's my shout. 
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Posted By: DenimViper
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2015 at 9:20pm
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I am gonna catch one and live bait it for kings if you dont mind
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Posted By: Big Manly Yaka
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2015 at 9:58pm
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2 more in the traps today, I'm doing better on rats than bloody snapper at the moment... Finally got one on that bait I've had out since friday, reckon he was just casing it...
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Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2015 at 10:32pm
Well at least your catching something even if not snapper bmy . Wondering how one would go for big snaps. And smudge i trust the ones you sent R.B were proper well bred pedigree rats. No mangy slabs. My fishing mate claims he has neither rat nor mouse at his place. His wife is terrified of mice. Other night she let out a scream ,said a mouse in the bed room. Not a chance he said,and just to prove it he set two mouse traps in the room. Next morning an even louder scream. Both traps had a mouse in them.
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Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2015 at 11:18pm
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Watched a documentary on the "History" channel last night on the siege of Stalingrad. As most of us know after months of ferocious resistance it was very much a "touch & go" situation as to whether the city would stand or fall despite the valiant tenacious actions of the Russian defenders at huge cost on both sides. The Germans had gathered their tanks etc. ready for an all out assault that was bound to succeed. Hitler was furious with his commanders that it had taken so long so had sent reinforcements to ensure there would be no excuse for this final assault to falter. As it so happened there was a bit of a of an unexpected cold snap bringing snow & sleet, so it was decided to delay the assault for a few days to let the weather improve. What they did not know is that the rodent population of field mice, along with the rats had taken refuge in the relative comfort within the confines of the tanks & the various military vehicles. The hordes of rodents also found a seemingly ready food source in the myriad of electrical wiring, instruments etc. When orders were finally given several days later to prepare to move en masse towards the city, many tanks etc. would not start, others malfunctioned once they did start & a lot caught fire internally, which is not an ideal situation with a couple of tonnes of explosive ammo stored inside. Rather fortuitously for the Russians they had planned on an almost suicidal counter attack but were amazed to find the enemy to be in almost total disarray & so often virtually "sitting ducks" It was not the end of the confrontation but was certainly a defining point that allowed the Russians to beat the Germans at their own game by forming a "pinzer" movement around behind two German divisions isolating them from supplies or means of escape. The generals requested permission from high command to surrender but Hilter beside himself in rage instead ordered them to fight unto the death refusing to send any more reinforcements. Meanwhile the Russians via broadcasts from low flying aircraft & leaflet drops were encouraging individual German soldiers to surrender which many faced with cold & hunger did so in their thousands to a point the generals of the encircled divisions defying Hilters' orders did likewise, whilst the rest began a retreat back towards Germany. And to think .... all because of a few thousand rodents .... count yourself lucky smudge !
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Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2015 at 11:57pm
Only a few thousand? Pffft.
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Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2015 at 5:44pm
I am gonna catch one and live bait it for kings if you dont mind
Hmm with a sinker... under a balloon?
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Posted By: feeder
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2015 at 5:54pm
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Rats, been following this thread and having a chuckle, bugger me found a dirty streak down the side of the ute today, turns out Ratus has camped up in the under floor insulation above and pi**ed all down the side of said ute. Now have baits nailed to floor plates, traps baited with kumura, jam, peanut butter and cheese, barstools. Cheers
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Posted By: Cigar
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2015 at 7:03pm
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Caught a couple of small rats in traps over the last few days, but no luck on Mummy and Daddy rat. I did find one of my pre-feeding spots still had lots of dates but all the cat bikkies have gone (now that I have removed the unset trap - suspicious effin rats!). Restocked the bikkies, so we'll see what happens tonight.
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Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2015 at 7:15pm
They got on my boat again and have chewed shoe sized holes in all 3 squabs my drogue skotis hooked up flag my swazi beanie a holden cap my hand held gps and some polystyrene cups I am going to catch this rat alive and give it a god talking to. Why would they suddenly start eating my boat?
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Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2015 at 7:17pm
Consider if everyone kept rat traps set throughout the year how many more birds would be around in spring. Rats are major predators of baby birds and eggs.
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Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2015 at 7:54pm
cirrus wrote:
Consider if everyone kept rat traps set throughout the year how many more birds would be around in spring. Rats are major predators of baby birds and eggs.
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So are cats John according to Gareth Morgan.
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Posted By: krow
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2015 at 9:04pm
smudge wrote:
They got on my boat again and have chewed shoe sized holes in all 3 squabs my drogue skotis hooked up flag my swazi beanie a holden cap my hand held gps and some polystyrene cups I am going to catch this rat alive and give it a god talking to. Why would they suddenly start eating my boat? | Shyte that would drive me to drink.Someone hates you and has spent many a year and generations of rats to get them to do this just to you. Did you pull any pony tails while you were at kindy? Seriously though the buggers have set up shop in your pride and joy and are gathering bedding. I had a mouse do this in my boat and every time I ripped the floor up (no easy task either) it would hide up in the front under a bit of floor I couldn't remove so about the third time I emptied a full can of fly spay into the compartment and no further issues. BTW I finally nailed a junior last night but there are bigger fish to fry for sure. I have patience and think I'll out live them.
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Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2015 at 9:25pm
bazza wrote:
cirrus wrote:
Consider if everyone kept rat traps set throughout the year how many more birds would be around in spring. Rats are major predators of baby birds and eggs.
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So are cats John according to Gareth Morgan. |
Gareth Morgan. That name rings a bell somewhere. Isnt that a new cultivar of Kiwi Fruit
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Posted By: groovyfisherman
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2015 at 9:46am
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we use racumin paste bait. these come in a tea bag and can be stapled down. says on box that there is an antidote for pets that eat it. also leaflet inside reckons no secondary poisoning if they eat dead rats. have found this bait works when all else has failed. we just staple to bit of wood and then place where dogs can't get it. we work on dairy farm and get plagues come through that we have managed to get rid of. i put some in the tractor the other day when one decide to get trapped in there and then run all over me trying to get out.
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