No, however, if you listen to the cancel culture woke PC brigade, those descriptions can only be applied to a person of European descent.

That is, "white".

Does not matter your ethnical makeup.

Mike Hoskings was right yesterday in asking the question....

"What the hell is wrong with this country?"

Does not matter your ethnical makeup.

If you spend time with Asian and other families, you will find that their sense of hard work, not doing dumb stuff, respect,etc..All fall very well into all of the above...

Once again, according to the woke PC brigade, only yourself.

Only those of colour  can use "lack of privilege" for their failure.

It's all about respect and decency, nothing to do with race. I really do enjoy  'the Maori fulla' type personality. I hope I always do

We are breeding a culture of entitlement. Which simply leads to discontent when it is not met.

I feel very lucky and thank the things that got me here regularly.

Having said that I worked my A off thru years of Uni for the education I wanted, and worked my A off during holidays to support myself. I took risks (risked everything financially - make or break) and worked my A off setting myself up for a future. Years without a day off - literally.

I feel very lucky - to have the life I have. But you have to make your own luck.

Alan

Alan

So true & is typified by so many of today's youth inasmuch as they are well versed re their rights & privileges but relatively ignorant of the responsibilities that come with it.

When I had my own business had teenagers come knocking on the door asking for after school work  & I usually employed them  due to the fact that they appeared to be  enterprising.

As time went on I became increasingly disillusioned by the  realisation that being able to say they had a job was all that was important to them oblivious to the fact they had an obligation to give something in return .. such as a fair time actually working.  

But the creep in the margins of those that think things should be easier and they are entitled to whatever others have, seems to keep growing.

Rather than teaching self reliance we seem to be fostering the opposite.

Alan

I won't start on the list of whats wrong with that.

But what are we breeding as a culture?

Alan

Pretty much a law unto themselves these days  anyways.

Oh yeah.... if you speak out against them you receive death threats and some hack lawyers trying to threaten you with deformation . Just F__ked.

Yep hard days were won over, if at times we (wife) had to jump higher we did.

But less common today.

Wonder why??

Just look at the Bungy jump guys AJ Hackett etc. Rich listers taking Govt bail out.

They must have been printing money for the last 20 yrs.  They get a tough yr and plead for help. Really??

Alan

Did that make the news/media, that is shocking?!

That is totally unnecessary.  I know people of many races, nationalities, backgrounds and even gender diversity who do their best to raise their kids in the manner described.

It made local news.

And the MoE was asked to comment. Another PC answer. 'We will work with them to see the time is made up". Really? So now it becomes optional to open a state funded school. And the reason for closing it is beyond question.

Alan

It boggles my mind that it was possible. Who the hell is in charge of this country?

Same people that allowed illegal  road blocks.

Alan

Saw some game members driving to work on their bikes this morning... was quite wet on north western. Glad I was in the car.

You miss my point.

I agree as per an earlier post of mine that race/culture should not matter or even be considered.

However in NZ at present, and I suspect large parts of the world, people of European ancestry who are or have become successful are considered to have done so simply because of "white privilege".

Nothing to do with hard work, education, responsibility or ethics.

Whereas anyone one of colour who succeeds did so not only with hard work, education, responsibility and ethics but also had to fight hard against the tide of "white privilege".

There is a definite plan of division being played out in NZ at present.

Not sure why.

Although they do say the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Just like Kiwi build.....Lies, lies and more lies.

NZ herald-30.01. 2009. "Auckland harbour bridge risking serious failure." Its all covered in that article.

And now they want a second bridge for walkers and cyclists  ,pandering to the ???. 

How about paying nurses the wages they deserve . Or how about a second bridge over the Ashburton river.

Govt fails to understand the word " Priority"

"Priority" ,lost in lycra.

This was the Govt that promised a new era of transparency. A recent article (few days ago ) gave the stats. The most obtuse and obstructive Govt by FAR as far as OIA requests go. And the number of spin doctors employed by each Dept has increased by about 50%. Why? If they have nothing to hide.

It really is depressing. Like Reel deal, I find Seymour refreshing in his non PC honesty.  You can take or leave his point of view - but he puts it out there.

Alan

National.... Dead in the water.

And that is the fundamental problem. Whatever your political position, hopefully everyone can agree that the opposition should be holding the government to account. National are not doing this. The other issue is that Judith Collins is unelectable. Whatever her qualities, she is not liked by the electorate and needs to go. In the absence of an effective National Party, ACT are looking pretty damn good. 

Politics, as my old granddad used to say, is a dirty game.

David Seymour is very smart, which gives him quite an advantage over many others in politics in NZ including all of the Nats at moment. And David is also very genuine, as opposed to genuinely stupid.

The Nats really need to sort themselves out, and get better people. Half as smart as Seymour would be an improvement.

Mark Mitchell seems reasonable but by himself is no match against Adern, Robertson, Parker and even Little. And Luxton seems to be making little headway as yet.

Labour are also unified,  as well as having some smart people, politics aside. You only have to spend 15 minutes or so talking to Grant Robertson to understand that.

Back to Seymour, he only opens his mouth when has a well thought through argument or point of view. He doesn’t talk about stuff for sake of it or just to disagree or protest something, at risk of later being caught out or looking stupid. Nats could learn from that.

And while Jacinda keeps spraying money around she is not likely to loose the middle ground.

Alan

All kiwis want is to be treated equal, look after our environment so our kids have a future and live happy and meaningful lives( well my take anyway)

And while Jacinda keeps spraying money around she is not likely to loose the middle ground.

 What happens when do that for a few yrs?
It runs out...
 The intended 'catch up for nurses, teachers , care givers, etc , over a few yrs started by national... fell back at the start of this labour government.. now best they can do is less than inflation..no money.

 They dished out on kiwi build, child poverty, homeless, (list goes on).. with most of this going into the 'system/ consultants, iwi and other) and how they dished out wage subsidies for covid (all against experienced advice of RB and economists....
Result as RB predicted, massive (record) house inflation, and child poverty, rents etc numbers increasing.

Now no money for current infrastructure upgrades, rebuilds, and projected infrastructure expansion (mill rd etc).
And like Britain..no money to give essential workers, nurses etc a fair wage now or able to do so over a longer term.

What is scary... is we have a government with no money, starting to wack on rules , regulations to artificially hold stuff together....
Damn history repeating ?  this sounds so similar to the later muldoon era and eventually we are bankrupt! 

Now throw in environment...
 The pollution numbers still growing and the rate increasing.. NZ still high on the 'bad ' list
 Tree planting is no more than a carry on of the last national government and what  farmers had been doing.
No more off shore gas Fazing out.. which use for power generation.. wind farms not growing .. solar slow uptake.. result we burn more  dirty coal .. then throw in EV cars on top.. burn even more coal

Take yrs to ban plastic bags.. to paper, yet that 'technology' had been around 50 to 70 yrs ago..
Bitch about un recyclable plastics etc... yet like the bags, technology is there for if the the government said.
"As from (say) 1st Nov 2021 all use of / packaging/ importing,manufacture of recyclable plastic ceases"

I see no reason why I should have to inspect plastics in the home as to go in recycle bin or rubbish bin in this day and age... other than a government who doesnt have the balls to make the call...

This government is highly educated in communication (PR BS) and educated professional politics (how to maintain treasury benches no matter what or who.)
 As to quantified to actually Govern?
Well end of the day its the results..

 Are the middle classes, the working classes .. the butchers , bakers, nurses , teachers .. the middle 50% of the population pulling in 50% of the salary/wage 'bill'.. or has improved? NO
Ideally get this group to or near that, suddenly , bottom end poverty drops big time, crime, gangs drop, employment with wages that have excess to spend.. the economy grows.. and will do so without population increase..

OH thats another thing..
 A government should have a long term population plan (right or wrong).. then build the social and economic policies around that. The last government had a plan.. maybe not a popular one thu, economy grew..
This government has no population plan, and is just trying to build the population around their economic and social plans as issues become apparent to the public and media.. after the events rather than foresight or using the foresight of economists, advisors and front line ppl.


 

They have canceled a few but are continuing with others but point taken and agree.

Man you hit a nerve for me re sorting recycling. Why isn’t all plastic we allow to be used recyclable?. They say as they can’t control what plastic overseas companies what to use. They use the cheapest. Imagine if we said only packaging that has come from recycled plastic only. Recycled plastic will become economic and sort out even dumps mined for it etc. they will try to pass the cost onto consumers of course but let the economic pressure sort that out. Consumer will move to a cheaper product until they change their process.

They also claim various plastic are needed and again this isn’t true. Petrolium companies create different grades during manufacture so sell cheaper the ones they can’t sell again all economics. 

And what’s with the micro beds in products? Proven to go directly into our oceans as not filtered out and eaten by the smallest of organisers to enter the food chain. Labour banned a few years ago. Have a wander down the cosmetic isle at your stupidmarket and see all the products still peddling trying to sell. WTF.

Labour has lost credibility to a level even mainstream voters are doubting their effectiveness. 

Yes - you could be right there.

Alan

And guess what.  The only reaction came from one NP councillor, Mr. Murray  Chong.    All other councillors are busy self censoring or making approving noises or gestures.    

Rainbow   

And you are right it’s a weird scenario that if you call out blatant racism you are labelled a racist and pushed aside....

And guess what.  The only reaction came from one NP councillor, Mr. Murray  Chong.    All other councillors are busy self censoring or making approving noises or gestures. "

Yes - I saw that too. Very disturbing direction to be heading in. Napier voted against Maori wards and warfare has been declared.

I'm not nearing 85, but I running in your footsteps Rainbow. This is not a pretty sight and I have no idea how it can be stopped in its tracks without chorus' of Racism all around the country.

Alan

As someone that possibly has the dubious distinction of being the second oldest forum member I would with respect for my elders like to point out there is one more benefit to getting older that you forgot to mention .................... ie ....................................

You can organise your own surprise party  

I have no problems voicing my concerns and have been cancelled regularly by general media, social media, even this site and a certain member used to regularly chastise me for my views, politicians both local and central. The problem is, and I do not really agree with it, we as you said, will not march in the streets and destroy public/private property and become a nuisance to the general public except with regards to overseas issues which will have no repercussions here.

A quiet read for the evening.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bryce-edwards-political-roundup-jacinda-arderns-opaque-government-by-pr/XGV7KW5CVWI4FV5UV54CKGH5FU/" rel="nofollow - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bryce-edwards-political-roundup-jacinda-arderns-opaque-government-by-pr/XGV7KW5CVWI4FV5UV54CKGH5FU/

As said above Nats are only appealing to those who vote blue regardless, basically no matter what. 

When social engineering becomes a fail and we have complete non delivery in health & education and promised infrastructure, the government will likely change. There is a massive middle vote that Labour has that hasn’t earned but only promised to. 

National with better people could start to win back those votes. But need to put up better people. Nash was on point this morning on ZB jumping on the gang and drug bust via FBI, not so much claiming credit but applauding our police force... smart move, albeit opportunistic.  But other stuff like nurse strike isn’t going to their script.

Politics is basically a series of gunfights. Nats need more capable people, who can handle themselves under spotlight. Take limelight and make more sensible persuading points. 

A lot who voted labour recently want best for their own lot and families. They will change their vote if what is offered is better or more credible than current govt by credible leaders within a credible team. Which to date is lacking.

Politics shouldn’t be about personalities but so often is, and with it comes more cohesion or not within a party.

Just so you don’t think I am absolute pessimist, with Auckland best city to live in world to live,  and Wellington at 4th,  when borders open and have renewed immigration in next couple years, I can’t see housing market slowing down much. Those who own property generally vote accordingly. Not sure any government can or would take credit for rising housing market these days though, seems very un-PC . But certainly will also compound the current health,  education and infrastructure crises which they seem inept at sorting. If I was a labour strategist, that is what you’d want runs on board on.

I have Sky TV. My wife never watches Sky. She is watching some crap aussie drama. We have one TV. It is very cruel of you to suggest that people watch some good Aussie drama such as State of Origin. Go the Blues. 13/12

Go the Maroons, luckiest fishing hat I ever had was a maroon corduroy Castlemaine 4x cap. That hat caught a NZACA 8kg line class record snap a long while ago..

Hat eventually fell apart, bit like Maroons tonight.

Do not forget to add in the cost of the separatist agenda and the rabid climate agenda changes being pushed/rushed through. Both will hurt the poor and decimate an already depleted middle class.

I am a fisherman and can recall fly fishing the head waters of most rivers in NZ.

In the sixties and seventies it was rare to see any foot prints along the waters edge. Believe me trout were everywhere and there were some real wall hangers.    As the decades rolled on foot prints turned into worn tracks and and some pristine rivers morphed into impoverished aquatic deserts.    We blame fishing pressure, which is just another term for too many anglers.     

Cheers

Rainbow

We have to feed all these people - on ever diminishing land resources. 

NZ is going thru same now - ever sprawling suburbs to keep up with pop growth. And all of it chewing up food producing land.

The energy equation follows the same path. There is no free lunch. There may not even be lunch if we keep going like this. And of course with a record pop on the planet, the rate of growth keeps climbing. Something has to give.

I am coming to the conclusion my lifetime ride has been enormously fun, but I may be very happy to move on when the time comes. At least that frees up one space for the next poor bugger that will inherit the planet.

Some of those foot prints on the river bank were mine. I barely go now, but there are still a few spots. I used to consider it a bad day if I met another angler on the river. Usually had them to myself.

Alan   

Hopefully Nz voting public won’t ever tolerate such hopelessness becoming a reality in such a naturally good country as ours.

Also saddened in above post by Rainbow. Probably accurate, about movement control, and my thinking  I might never get back to Mexico. Bit of selfish indulgent luxury to wish I could do that anytime soon, with all that’s going on in world....but stuff my dreams used made of, and in past could come true.

I went thru Russia in the 70s as an independant traveller, and a number of the Baltic states. The most depressing experience you could possibly wish for. People simply didn't give a s..t about anything. Nothing basically functioned, there was no incentive to do anything. This was during the height of the cold war era. My dad was very worried (as most were) that the Soviets were going to invade the world and take over. After being thru there I told him to relax. They ain't going anywhere. Outside Moscow everything was broken down, barely functioning. Get to Moscow - glittering gold facades of buildings etc but a total sham. Queues for food, shops full of empty shelves, week old milk/meat sitting in shop windows - no refrigeration. They didn't care if anyone bought it, or if they sold it.

Then they had a few shops where you could buy stuff with $US.

When the middle class gives up you are stuffed.

Alan

Might have missed this gem..

https://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/article.aspx?id=333687" rel="nofollow - https://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/article.aspx?id=333687

What is a Rainbow Crossing?

And I just love this notice in our local rag up here...That the FNDC have:

"hereby given notice of the following cancellation to a formal meeting due to lack of business.

Regulatory Compliance Committee"

Signed...

"Team Leader-Democracy Services."

What the heck are/is Democracy Services????

Cheers

Rainbow  

Democracy Services will be the part of Council that organises the various meetings, public consultation etc.  They do need people to sort the logistics out for the politicians

Cheers

Rainbow

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-tops-fortunes-list-of-the-worlds-greatest-leaders/CPSIWGDCUBT3XMY7HVE3SO47H4" rel="nofollow - https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-tops-fortunes-list-of-the-worlds-greatest-leaders/CPSIWGDCUBT3XMY7HVE3SO47H4

If her PR people are picking up what the general public are putting down they will bury the idea as soon as possible. 

Apparently Jacinda knew nothing about it... which is total bulls--t

But the whole thing is just a step too far... even for her.

What a nausea inducing -narcissistic- poorly timed and even poorer taste - all round stupid idea. My god... 

Cheers

Rainbow

She is saying she did not know anything about the film.    Pigs do fly