boat flips Tairua
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Printed Date: 06 Jul 2026 at 9:39am
Topic: boat flips Tairua
Posted By: Pcj
Subject: boat flips Tairua
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2022 at 6:44pm
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/lucky-escape-as-boat-flips-at-treacherous-tairua-bar/WUSVS42FBUGSAE2TBDJXFMZKRQ/" rel="nofollow - https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/lucky-escape-as-boat-flips-at-treacherous-tairua-bar/WUSVS42FBUGSAE2TBDJXFMZKRQ/ ------------- "Times up" |
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Posted By: tjm
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2022 at 6:46pm
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Not funny that its happened but an old mate was telling us about the last 45 years and the xmas time fiascos he's seen on this bar so not surprised actually. Hopefully all concerned will recover, the boat was up righted by by standers apparently
------------- Cant beat hunting and Fishing in N.Z |
Posted By: Pcj
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2022 at 6:53pm
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3 in starship and by all accounts no lifejackets seen. ------------- "Times up" |
Posted By: salty69
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2022 at 9:11pm
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The attached article relates to the incident 2 days ago. Yesterday I wouldn't have bothered getting the boat wet - the bar was impassable in my humble opinion. What happened today was the worst incident I've seen on the bar. Its to early draw any conclusions, as the bar was quite passable if you had the right boat with the right experience. I've heard various pieces of speculation re going to the aid of a kayaker but I guess that will come out in the wash. Regardless, bludy sad. Big ups to the crews of the 3 choppas and 10 or so others emergency appliances who attended. One comment to end my rant - and based on my observations of the last 45 years. Just because people tow their boat to the beach - its not a hanging offence if you don't put it in the water. Is it worth risking the safety of your friends and family for a feed of fish. Normal transmission resumed. |
Posted By: Reel Deal
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2022 at 12:19am
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turned away plenty of times, but pushed it just as much, scary but successfully. Know your measure but as i get older…yeah nah. Love the fury and chaos still and being the only trailer at the ramp but life is worth a little more today than 10 years ago I reckon. Less fun t I’ve but I still live ------------- The gods do not subtract from the allotted span of men's lives the hours spent on fishing - Assyrian Proverb |
Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2022 at 8:50am
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off shore breeze had picked up.. tide outgoing and below 1m.. last 1/4 outgoing. A building 1.25 -1.5 swell Bar is silting up a ... and the swell breaking across the bar. Then we can throw in the cctv cameras to observe what has been happening out there for last few hrs or so... And similar for the incident around the cnr few days before. Most properly also assume a huge factor would be under powered to plough thru effectively , or if over 1st high break..get to the next break before that breaks... or able to sit comfortably on the back of a break on the way in. Are these incidences when boiled back to basics, about skippers' choice, which seems, again unprepared if proverbial hits the fan, to go over a section of water that sensible ppl would not go over at that point in time? That comes back to dangerous choices by dangerous skippers to be there. |
Posted By: Pcj
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2022 at 9:42am
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https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/284674-five-onboard-boat-that-overturned-at-pauanui.html%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/284674-five-onboard-boat-that-overturned-at-pauanui.html
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Posted By: The Tamure Kid
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2022 at 12:19pm
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i'm up in Northland and you can see how poor decisions can result in problems, if things go wrong. Two days ago at Matapouri there was a massive easterly swell rolling in - presumably related to the storm off the Australian coast causing huge surf on the Gold Coast. It was making the beach marginal for swimming in the surf, even for experienced swimmers, and dangerous for children. Yet a group of chunky guys went past me with dive catch bags and not much else, obviously aiming to collect whatever amid swells thumping on to the rocky coast. And worse than that, a ute was backing an old tinny - about 13ft Fyran or similar lightweight build - down to the estuary, rods in the holders etc. I was thinking 'surely they aren't considering going out?'. We left shortly after, so i didn't see what they did. Hopefully common sense prevailed. Because even with no actual bar like the one at Tairua etc, the huge waves breaking as they tried to exit the horseshoe bay would have surely wiped them out, and it was way too choppy for a boat of that size out in the open coast. |
Posted By: Kevin.S
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2022 at 4:53pm
| I think this quote from Water Safety New Zealand chief executive Daniel Gerrard regarding the number of water deaths over the Christmas break sums it up well. "A common theme in these drownings was people underestimating the conditions and overestimating their ability". That's quite a deadly combination. |
Posted By: Kandrew
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2022 at 5:08pm
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Always sad to see accidents happen where kids are on board. Been a large increase in boat sales so there must be a lot of new novice skippers out there and with all the lockdowns I suppose the CG hasn’t been able to run its training courses. |
Posted By: brmbrm
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2022 at 5:11pm
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It seems the man has died, plus yet another death at Pauanui https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/459143/one-dead-two-children-in-critical-condition-after-boat-capsizes-off-pauanui" rel="nofollow - https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/459143/one-dead-two-children-in-critical-condition-after-boat-capsizes-off-pauanui |
Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2022 at 8:58pm
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"A common theme in these drownings was people underestimating the conditions and overestimating their ability". Yes read that as well...struck me as very appropriate. Puts the end responsibility straight back on ppl. Sure things can turn to crap real quick when condition good.. and thats the choice to prepare with life jackets etc . And then Coast Guard / police come out with statements like "good outcome because prepared, wearing correct lifejackets.." sort of statements |
Posted By: v8-coupe
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2022 at 10:07pm
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Heard on Three news, they and a jet skier were ready to be retreived when two kayakers were seen in destress at the bar. They and the jet ski were asked to go out and assist the two kayaks. The tragedy unfolded from there.
My old grandfather used to say "no good deed goes unpunished" and he has been right on many occasions. This being yet another unfortunate and distressing example. My sympathy to all involved except perhaps the kayakers who I suspect should be feeling a bit of remorse today.
------------- Legasea Legend Member |
Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2022 at 9:48am
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They and the jet ski were asked to go out and assist the two kayaks Yeah read that... makes me think.. I have my young grandchildren on board.... would look at dropping them off near by..espec if dont have the power on the back for such conditions. And if dont, have they full jackets with crotch straps.. Should one do a resuce into conditions not eqiped experianced ? Then throw in the drowning stata of those that die doing so?.. let alone doing so ill equipped in such a manner pretty sure thing you/ your childen will join those stats.. Some big questions.. Sort of the same as "hey they are stuck on a clift face.. heres a rope" and one doesnt know how to tie a bowline let alone an alpine butter fly and never absailed, and in jandels. Bit more non media, detailed background info of events needed to make a judgement in this situation. |
Posted By: rusty360
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2022 at 5:00pm
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Hey steps you seem like a very knowledgeable guy but I think you should pull ya head in and think about these poor families before firing off about under powered boats etc, unless you were there might be good to keep ya thoughts to ya self. I've been involved in few incidences like this ex coastguard 10 years. And from what I've seen the media generally doesn't have a farking clue what's going on and will print any **** to get the story out. I'd say most people would rush to help someone in trouble and in this case the poor guy has paid the ultimate price, I'm sure he didn't go back out with the grandkids etc in tow without thinking about it first. Rant over. |
Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2022 at 6:39pm
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Rant yep that would describe it. I have had to drag bodies over rocks on a bar.. Just a few months ago I was inside an upturned ute, crawling around in the broken glass ion shorts and bare hands getting a guy out after not just a accident but another person beating the crap out of him while upside down still with seat belt on.. AQnd can go on about a few more over my 70 odd yrs.. Dont come to me thaT I should be I should bury the reality of sympathy to the famly.. I value famly far more dearly than most, my children , my grandchildren... espec since I had buried ALL my family grandparent down before being an adult... My heart goes out to them in a very intense way..most probelry more than most.. Even further, heart goes out to all those families of the future...espec where injury, death should have been avoided, including the death of those who try to play hero without due thought. Taking children on a rescue mission such as tthis in those conditions, most properly inexperience (would have to be to endanger children.. And thing is all this stuff come out at coronors injest and maritime investigations....no sympathy just whay happened and why... But know one reads them, months later we just have the next and next incidence roll over yer after year because everyone has to be so damn PC.. Another just up the road from us, they have just called the search off for the body for the night...happened right in front of his wife and child... Nah it as not PC to say " that activity should have at least a inflatable life jacket, espec on isolated beach just on sundown" And maybe read my post in that light.. and I suggest read not skim..you will find what you say I stated I didnt. I totally agree about the media... Under powered boats.. hey do the home work, Go back to your CG and Corinor and maritime reports over the last 50 yrs or so.. But ndo not suggest I have no sympathy for the families or those in the future that everytime these things continue to happen, barking up the wrong tree there. |
Posted By: Pcj
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2022 at 6:43pm
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rusty360 wrote:Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2022 at 6:50pm
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Steps, this has nothing to do with abseiling in jandals! On another day it could be you or I in that situation. Yes we need to be prepared but we've all had our moments. I've never had a situation as scary as couple of yours so just be careful out there. Things go wrong and while there are ways of mitigating that (by being prepared) We all make errors of judgement. I know better skippers than you or I that have come to grief on both bars. Some respect required please.
------------- Best gurnard fisherman in my street |
Posted By: rusty360
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2022 at 8:38pm
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Ive typed out a reply but In respect to the family who have lost so much and smudge who has to moderate this site I've deleted it. I'm not a keyboard warrior so will leave it at that. |
Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 8:31am
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Going on other posts by many other members who are damn good , well prepared skippers, not having a moment, regularly crossing a bar for yrs then you must be the exception..or perception . Full bins still loade with ice, outgoing tide, waves catching up, not enough power to stay on the back of a wave..? And take a moment and look at tmy moments smudge..scary yes dangerous no..risk flipping or capsize no...and if did over equipped.. All on days with no break over the bar 1m and less swell and winds tides correct... and only one incident was mine. In fact all are no more an incidents that many take as normal, when crossing. Who 'normally' cross in conditions I dont go.....including yours. So if quote my scarry moments, do not take out of context or make out something that is not.
I report these to point out in real life, even on flat days things can happen...and do, so be prepared treat the sea with lot respect. abseiling in jandals! Put away the browns .. |
Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 8:58am
Hmmm, I wonder where that part about abseiling in jandals has gone. Anyway, yes I have had a couple of moments on the Manukau bar and one on the river bar, neither involving running aground or getting airborne (or close to it as the case may be). Perhaps take a moment yourself to think how others perceive your posts. As I've asked before, try to keep things to the point without refencing back to off topic events and you may find less drama coming your way. ------------- Best gurnard fisherman in my street |
Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 9:03am
Paul, I suggest that you don't go out of your way to engage Steps. You're going to disagree with everything he says, you've made your point now move on. ------------- Best gurnard fisherman in my street |
Posted By: Big -Dave
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2022 at 7:42pm
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Hopefully we all learn, I've had my oh crap moments, nearly sunk the boat, etc, and I've seen others have them too. Ok it's all to easy to be critical, shoulda done this or that. Passed a boat on Saturday on the way home from Motiti, the weather forecast was moderate, but at 6 pm when we poked our noses around the bottom of the island, it was crappy. Batten ed the hatches, and proceeded to slog our way back to the mount. Passed some guys in a boat that looked far to small to be out there, but hey the weather report was fair.long story short, they ran out of gas, we noticed they had stopped, went back and towed them in..they were possibly not far off being dished up on the beach. Didnt think about it, just did what I hoped someone else would do. Perhaps I should have named the boat Le Tug.. ------------- you can't fix an idiot with duct tape, but it does muffle them for a while... |
Posted By: Alan L
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2022 at 7:58pm
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My mate in his 12 ft tinnie towed a 5.5m stabicraft home today. Motor had failed, and were trying to make it on Minkota. That ran flat, they were drifting. Those same guys fished out 40k with us a week or so ago. LUCKY for them, today, flat sea, close to home, primo conditions and mate had gone out to check his setline. Normally decent surf to get thru.
Alan ------------- Legasea Legend member |
Posted By: Crochet Cast
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2022 at 8:09pm
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Last Thursday went out over the Bowentown bar with my brother and a mate. 16ft Center Console 1 hour before high tide, all good easy crossing. Conditions were awesome off shore and stayed out longer than originally planned. Came in for the reverse crossing a lot closer to low tide. Good sized waves breaking on the bar with a tricky cross swell. Wasn’t keen so checked out if cutting the corner was on. Nope no good either. Given the great offshore conditions decided to skip the crossing and head in via Tauranga. The harbour is unnavigable at low tide past Ōmokoroa so gave the wife and sister-in-law a call and arranged to haul out at Ōmokoroa. A couple of hours late but all onboard were happy with the decision. |
Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2022 at 9:09am
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CC thats is the sorta call so many others just would not make Full kudos.. This bit struck me Conditions were awesome off shore and stayed out longer than originally planned. I think of the number times considered that... I have a time frame on our bar .. back in no more than 1.5 hrs after full.. if swell, and chop drops, breeze stays in correct direction will add 1/2...and only done so 2 times. 1 of those times, crossing was good, just had little problem lining up the channel...sorta got it right, without issue . Though was already to ring the wife meet us at Te toro and shoot up the coast go back thru the manukau sth channel... and thats a quite a haul from Sth of the Waikato bar... and still had around 120L fuel in the tank. So even after that non issue time, its been a strict.. back in by. Once we had marlin jump just off the back ... tempted, even started to sort a lure.. then stood up said , sry guys not worth it....had already cut off the flat out snapper fishing on 9 /0 . Best stories are those like CC above... and those are by the true heros, not those who play hero... and get away with it .. that time. |
Posted By: Reel Deal
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2022 at 9:13pm
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I know the Tairua bar very well. In-laws managed puka lodge maybe 300m from tairua bar for 10 years and I’d whip over it maybe 3 times a day in the weekend or when lived there too. It’s one of those bars that close out over 1.5m but if it’s closing out at low, it’s passable at high just hug the rocks to the left maybe get some green water over the front from time to time and a bit of dancing. Just 3 swells to be over and speed helps in between swell. When it’s closing don’t go near. Go floundering or pick cockle’s and do boat maintaince. A quick walk to the top of paku hill at mouth is well worth it. Never had a prob at any time coming in on any swell as there is depth and I’ve been caught out when swell has built by many meters when out. just stick to the game plan and be in constant control on the back of the biggest wave you can find. In that situation head to Pauanui side as you will get double up waves close to tairua rocks when coming in. Have seen boats flip there on average days. I think some of these issues of flipping is down too experiance or over confidence . Respect what you don’t have control over. ------------- The gods do not subtract from the allotted span of men's lives the hours spent on fishing - Assyrian Proverb |
Posted By: Big -Dave
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2022 at 11:16pm
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Twice now I have gone out in the bop, and chosen to use sulphur point and whangamata, instead of closer bars, because of the tide limiting factor. Last saturday was a case of we would never have made it in to the maketu bar. ------------- you can't fix an idiot with duct tape, but it does muffle them for a while... |