whats the best low profile knot?
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Topic: whats the best low profile knot?
Posted By: part-timer
Subject: whats the best low profile knot?
Date Posted: 23 May 2010 at 9:55pm
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Hi all..
I want to know what are the options for tying 24 / 37kg braid to a leader of 80 - 120lb .. something that has no hang ups so I can cast it without it catching in the rod guides..
Whats the options, and what are the good and bad points?
any tips would be appreciated..
cheers, jim
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Posted By: T_CARP
Date Posted: 23 May 2010 at 9:57pm
PR knot, search it on youtube, end of story...
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Posted By: MarkE
Date Posted: 23 May 2010 at 10:03pm
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PR knot would be my choice also. ------------- Sea Strike 18' Centre Console - Under Construction.... http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/sea-strike-18-build-thread_topic87723_page1.html" rel="nofollow - Build Thread here |
Posted By: part-timer
Date Posted: 23 May 2010 at 10:06pm
cheers.. I have seen that one described before.. was just a little bit nervous about the bit where you melt the end of the nylon.. I think thats the one... how do you make sure you dont damage the braid?? any tricks?
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Death to Below wrote:Posted By: Saltiga
Date Posted: 23 May 2010 at 10:07pm
| simple if you want to cast it do a tight bimini twist and put a windon on. |
Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 24 May 2010 at 12:56pm
fold back the braid, pinch and cover the braid where it stops - with your fingers/finger nails then carefully ball the end of the mono. Leave a couple mm clear then half-hitch up to the ball and half-hitch along the braid. ------------- give it death! |
Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 24 May 2010 at 1:43pm
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The twisted leader option is a good one or an FG knot
------------- Live Bait , the Lance Armstrong of catching KINGFISH |
Posted By: krow
Date Posted: 24 May 2010 at 3:13pm
I like to sleeve the single cats paw with a little Dacron too. |
Posted By: part-timer
Date Posted: 24 May 2010 at 9:07pm
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thanks for that info.. have seen how to do it on youtube.. will have a few practice runs tonight..
one more question.. can I get away with using a standard bobbin, or do I need to get a proper "weighted" bobbin ( for 24 - 37 kg braid ) to get enough tension when doing the spiral wraps?
cheers, jim
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Posted By: Titahi
Date Posted: 24 May 2010 at 9:17pm
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I have seen a 6mm bolt with the hex head cut off placed inside a bobbin and used to tie a PR knot. Might surfice for ya? ------------- "I love standing by the ocean and just knowing what its for" |
Posted By: bush billy
Date Posted: 24 May 2010 at 10:00pm
Why not, i can do them with out a bobbin at all.
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Posted By: part-timer
Date Posted: 24 May 2010 at 10:07pm
thats far too sensible......
 does anybody whip a sleave of dacron over the whole thing to make it super smooth through the guides??? or is that overkill ??
J
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Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 24 May 2010 at 10:36pm
 .------------- give it death! |
Posted By: part-timer
Date Posted: 24 May 2010 at 11:14pm
Ha.. I dont think anyone can accuse me of not spending enough money on fishing gear over the years.. if only I had more money... Ive tied a few tonight with a bobbin weighted with a lead core.. they look ok and havent failed apart from the first one.. which was a bit sloppy..
one question that you could answer Chris, that isnt clear in the video... as you start the spiral wraps, there is a small area where the braid isnt tight to itself..... then you wind down hard for 60 -70 mm... then hard back up again..
the question is... do you stop the return wraps, and start half hitching, on top of the hard packed spirals, or do you keep doing the return wraps right up pased that point and onto the area where the spirals are more spread out?
J
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Posted By: Rat Catcher
Date Posted: 25 May 2010 at 7:14am
| The bobbin I use cost $5.80 from discount fishing supplies and is weighted enough to give good tension on the final knot. I have used the more expensive options and found no difference in knot quality. |
Posted By: krow
Date Posted: 25 May 2010 at 9:19am
| I don't spose you know the part number of those weighted bobbins do you? Checked their site and they sell the holders but can't see the bobbins. edit: They don't have them. They're trying to find some 4 me. |
Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 25 May 2010 at 10:40am
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one question that you could answer Chris, that isnt clear in the video... as you start the spiral wraps, there is a small area where the braid isnt tight to itself..... then you wind down hard for 60 -70 mm... then hard back up again..
the question is... do you stop the return wraps, and start half hitching, on top of the hard packed spirals, or do you keep doing the return wraps right up pased that point and onto the area where the spirals are more spread out?
J [/QUOTE]
I haven't viewed the "video".
The first hard packed wraps are for only 1cm, then you return over top of these and the looser spirals until you have done tight hard packed wraps for say 3-5cm. Then half hitches for another 1cm, cut and burn leader and continue half hitches on braid for another 1 cm then terminate. There are sequential photos on http://www.jigsdirect.com - www.jigsdirect.com under the knots for dummies section. Explanations in English too!
 The security of this connection is wholly dependant on tightness you make the close wraps. The braid has to bite into the surface skin of the leader and hard monos are are the most challenging to connect to. This can only come out from a suitably weighted bobbin. Gamble with light weight home-made stuff at your own risk. If you start getting knot failures and lose that fish of a life-time, then you only have yourself and your advisors to blame. ------------- give it death! |
Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 25 May 2010 at 12:04pm
So true Chris this why i like the FG knot ,the weaves just bite in the more you pull or toss 
------------- Live Bait , the Lance Armstrong of catching KINGFISH |
Posted By: Titahi
Date Posted: 25 May 2010 at 1:58pm
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But Chris the tension used to create this knot comes from how many times you wrap the braid around the leg of the bobbin prior to it threading through the needle hole, not the amount of weight used to spin the bobbin. I understand that the weight is needed in the bobbin to create enough inerta to spin the bobbin against the resistance created by the wrapps around the leg, I am all for good looking top quality gear and in fact have a JM Aluminium bobbin that i use, however I can attest that a normal bobbin with a weight inside will do the same job. ------------- "I love standing by the ocean and just knowing what its for" |
Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 25 May 2010 at 5:00pm
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try doing the PR with a lightweight cotton reel and you'll see what I mean. I tried this years ago before I had these made. I used to fill plastic cotton reels with lead shot to try and get the weight up, even lead sinkers. Eventually I gave up trying to bodgy up a solution and had these made in an engineering shop.
You can spend a lot of time and effort in trying to find a cheap solution to a problem when the solution is staring you in the face - get the proper tool and have no regrets. ------------- give it death! |
Posted By: mozz
Date Posted: 25 May 2010 at 5:35pm
| Ive got/had JB hollow and moi moi hollowcore (I think it was moi moi) . I just used to thread 1-3 feet up the hollowcore and bind or sato crimp the joins. cant get any smoother. PR or the sig splice is all for solid core but I agree with the FG as the knot of choice if you can tie it. |
Posted By: Titahi
Date Posted: 25 May 2010 at 6:46pm
Point taken,  ------------- "I love standing by the ocean and just knowing what its for" |
Posted By: Rat Catcher
Date Posted: 25 May 2010 at 7:39pm
What I actually bought was the thumb bobbin holder that they stock and simply use an old plastic cotton reel on this. I was a bit sceptical at first about how good a job it would do but I have not yet had one fail.
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Posted By: bush billy
Date Posted: 25 May 2010 at 8:37pm
Yer that FG knot looks good , whats the down side of this knot, if one?
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Posted By: part-timer
Date Posted: 25 May 2010 at 9:21pm
one question that you could answer Chris, that isnt clear in the video... as you start the spiral wraps, there is a small area where the braid isnt tight to itself..... then you wind down hard for 60 -70 mm... then hard back up again..
the question is... do you stop the return wraps, and start half hitching, on top of the hard packed spirals, or do you keep doing the return wraps right up pased that point and onto the area where the spirals are more spread out?
J [/QUOTE]
I haven't viewed the "video".
The first hard packed wraps are for only 1cm, then you return over top of these and the looser spirals until you have done tight hard packed wraps for say 3-5cm. Then half hitches for another 1cm, cut and burn leader and continue half hitches on braid for another 1 cm then terminate. There are sequential photos on http://www.jigsdirect.com - www.jigsdirect.com under the knots for dummies section. Explanations in English too!
The security of this connection is wholly dependant on tightness you make the close wraps. The braid has to bite into the surface skin of the leader and hard monos are are the most challenging to connect to. This can only come out from a suitably weighted bobbin. Gamble with light weight home-made stuff at your own risk. If you start getting knot failures and lose that fish of a life-time, then you only have yourself and your advisors to blame. [/QUOTE]
The one I saw on the video had almost the same lengths for the hard packed wraps both down, and back up of 4 - 5cm.. so thats is why I asked.. there were lots of variations of the knot also.. and not all in english..
Thanks for that explanation.. it makes sence what you say about the knot.. I understand the physics of it all... (soft leader v hard etc) thanks very much..
It has probably been discussed quite a bit on here before, but I think it does no harm to put the topic forward now and then.. never know when you will come across a new idea..
Cheers Chris and all others..
Jim
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Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 26 May 2010 at 6:29am
if it is not tied properly, i mean tight ,most important are the half hitches that are on the braid have to be secured hard up against the mono end, much like the PR.If not you get some distance between the mono end and the first hitch after one good fish. It takes some practice to get the nack of tying it, i still haven't perfected it yet,after many a braid cuts and lots of braid. ------------- Live Bait , the Lance Armstrong of catching KINGFISH |
Posted By: Boulder
Date Posted: 26 May 2010 at 10:09am
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Cam not sure I have seen an FG can you post a link pretty please
------------- http://www.boulderguiding.co.nz">  http://www.boulderguiding.co.nz">www.boulderguiding.co.nz |
Posted By: Mez
Date Posted: 26 May 2010 at 10:18am
| Boulder! and Fg knot is basically a PR knot tied without a bobbin. |
Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 26 May 2010 at 12:27pm
This is purely personal - I much prefer 30-50 tight wraps on a PR than 15 on a FG/SG knot. But tied well, the FG is another goodie that the popping guys like because it is a much shorter, smaller connection. I gave up tying the FG after I chipped my teeth holding the mono. Expensive knot the FG.
The comparison essentially is long knot versus short knot and really how good you are at tying these important knots. ------------- give it death! |
Posted By: Bunzo
Date Posted: 26 May 2010 at 9:51pm
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I'll post some links Boulder, after Qld win the ORIGIN [about to kick off]- till tomorrow ------------- 
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Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 26 May 2010 at 11:07pm
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Yeh nice one Bun ,there is a good link on your Aussie GT site
------------- Live Bait , the Lance Armstrong of catching KINGFISH |
Posted By: Bunzo
Date Posted: 27 May 2010 at 9:31pm
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Suck it Blues Yeah Cam, this is Brandons link and a Vidio link
http://goodcatchfishing.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40&Itemid=33 - http://goodcatchfishing.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40&Itemid=33
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_qom1E-ihA - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_qom1E-ihA -------------
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Posted By: krow
Date Posted: 31 May 2010 at 9:32am
http://www.discountfishingsupplies.co.nz/shop/jigstar-weighted-bobbin-p-4364.html - http://www.discountfishingsupplies.co.nz/shop/jigstar-weighted-bobbin-p-4364.html
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Posted By: HERBERT
Date Posted: 31 May 2010 at 9:02pm
| I dont bother with the melted end i got that from a mc works video i learnt from.never had one fail on me dont buy the realy cheap bobin holders as they have sharpe edges on the spend at least $8 for one with nice rounded ends on the tube.Any one ever done any tests on them like sam mossman did on soft bait braid knots i would love to know what the min amount turns for for full stength. i have tied 3lb fireline to 8lb flouro .PR is the bomb hands down! |
Posted By: McKoy
Date Posted: 31 May 2010 at 11:48pm
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Albright knot on the end of a bimmini twist. Resists going through guides better than a PR and doesn't require you spending $$$ on an overpriced bit of anodized alloy to tie the thing. The knot itself is small so also avoids the snakes going for it.
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Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 31 May 2010 at 11:57pm
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A good PR bobbin is only $40 and you only ever need one , small price to pay i recon
------------- Live Bait , the Lance Armstrong of catching KINGFISH |
Posted By: marx
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2010 at 10:28am
My thoughts exactly. I don't melt the leader end either (prone to chaffing braid) but finish of my PRs a little different than most. After my wraps and initial series of half hitches on the leader I do 4 reversed two turn half hitches (not sure of correct name), forward, back, forward, back on the leader......... Then after the leaders end I do another 4 reversed two turn half hitches, forward, back, forward, back then continue with 10 reverse halfhitches and finish of with a 3 turn half hitch. The knot creates a nice ramp up to the leader and doesn't loosen up even after multiple trips. ------------- Science for the mind and Art for the soul. |