Police Pursuits
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Printed Date: 07 Jul 2026 at 10:50am
Topic: Police Pursuits
Posted By: Catchit
Subject: Police Pursuits
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 8:53am
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See another one is dead, http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4424600/Fatal-crash-after-police-pursuit-in-Auckland - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4424600/Fatal-crash-after-police-pursuit-in-Auckland
Should the plods back off or chase harder ?
Admittedly, its 1 less drongo to worry about but he could have collected a family in the process of the chase..
thoughts. ------------- "We gave Sir Peter a knighthood," Mr Key said, "And if we could give him a second one, we would." |
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Posted By: STEVIE WONDER
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 9:13am
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Should back off early.You have his rego.He can be arrested later.No worries.Rambo cops cause more harm to the general public.As you said he could've killed an innocent family as happened in the S Island couple a months ago ------------- ONLY WHEN THE LAST TREE HAS DIED AND THE LAST RIVER BEEN POISONED AND THE LAST FISH BEEN CAUGHT WILL WE REALISE THAT WE CANNOT EAT MONEY. NATIVE AMERICAN CREE |
Posted By: snapazapa
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 9:18am
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Its unfortunate that innosent people get killed in some chases,murder charges should follow anyone who runs and causes an accident. The police are dammed if they do and dammed if they dont,I want them to chase,you just cant let these barstools just do what they want,some sy you only need to get the rego then follow it up later but that doesnt work,they just deny they were driving and the cops cant prove it,I want to see police cars that are far more powerful with bars on the front so they can "pit" the vehicle qiuckly.
Or better still,but no one will agree,shotguns in the cars to blow the tryes out
 ,even better just blow the driver out.Anyone who runs and dies has only one person to blame.Themselves.
The cops should not be blamed for doing there job. ------------- Live life to the fullest... |
Posted By: Bossco
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 9:38am
That would only be effective if - they can see the rego, the car doesn't have false plates, it's not registered to someone else, the rego hasn't been altered, the car isn't stolen, they don't have drugs in the car, they don't have stolen goods in the car having just done a burglary, they aren't drunk or drugged(not much point breathtesting them the next day) etc etc. This happened 30 seconds after they tried to stop the car, even if they had abandoned it they wouldn't suddenly have slowed down, they would have kept on going flat out and crashed regardless. You may as well put out a directive not to even attempt to stop any car that looks like it might take off. And all stopping pursuits will do is actually encourage more crooks to drive dangerously knowing that if they do the cops can't chase. |
STEVIE WONDER wrote:Posted By: Rockstar from Mars
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 9:46am
| Only the crims want them to back off- As long as the crims know all they have to do is run then they will run. pursue them and if they run two caps to the head problem solved |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 9:53am
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Increase the penalties for running, confiscation of vehicle, licence and major fine as a minimum. If the pursuit is called off but number plate has been taken, vehicle still gets seized awaiting proof of innocence. (ie:- obviously not if the vehicle is stolen. But if it is mum and dads car... well tough) Not chasing at all? That just means as soon as the cops flash you for going 58 past a school or somethnig, there is no possible reason to stop, just drive fast and you automatically get away with it. That way lies anarchy. |
Posted By: STEVIE WONDER
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 10:08am
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Catch22 situation ain't it.Say someone speeds 5 km over limit.Uniform cop goes all in a frenzy.All he sees is revenue.Chases the perp and a high speed chase ensue.Barstools or cops crash into innocent family.Was it worth the while.Different to me if a vehicle is a defo suspect in say an armed robbery,murder ,rape,etc.Then of course you chase.it's a schedule 1 offence.But just speeding or some dodgy looking occupants.Comon guys you can't tell me that losing a life is worth a ticket.Even better improve the driving skills of cops.Faster better equipped cars ------------- ONLY WHEN THE LAST TREE HAS DIED AND THE LAST RIVER BEEN POISONED AND THE LAST FISH BEEN CAUGHT WILL WE REALISE THAT WE CANNOT EAT MONEY. NATIVE AMERICAN CREE |
Posted By: ThomasW
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 10:40am
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If they are just speeding why would they run instead of just stopping? if they decide to run chances are they got more to hide. |
Posted By: graham 99
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 1:43pm
| what needs to happen is make not stopping a criminal offence rather than a driving one and the owner of the car gets the conviction unless they say who was driving [and have a life driving ban mandatory] |
Posted By: Busted!
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 6:06pm
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Rental car, rented to a group. That doesn't work either.
Probably a better way would be a change in tactics to what they are doing in some areas, the cops work as a pair.
Oops, no that won't work that requires more money for cars and wages and their budget has just been slashed. Funny how things work isn't it? Less money = more carnage...
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Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 6:15pm
| As said above. damned if they do and if they don't. most of the guys involved in these high speed pursuits have been younger people. it pretty much shows the lack of respect this age group now carries for the authorities and the general person around them. letting them do what the hell they like isn't going to teach them any differently is it? Chase the barstools down and lock em up I reckon. |
Posted By: edge01
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2010 at 6:35pm
| I think that they need to go to the american law of making running from the Police a 'Felony' charge. Instant loss of licence, 5 years in the can. car crushed. If the law makers want this to be taken seriously, and people to stop dying, it has to be done right through the system, Cabinet, Judges, cops. Simply pointing the finger at the cops and stating that it their problem is short sighted and irresponsible. The sort of thing that the media does really............. |
Posted By: feeder
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2010 at 7:14am
Hookapuka hit the nail on the head, no respect not only for the police but for anyone else as well, these  s just thumb their noses to all, crush their cars, thats the probable area that will hurt them most and chuck em in the pen.------------- The only bar to frequent is the Kawhia Bar |
Posted By: Haydan
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2010 at 8:35am
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There is no way that there should be any policy to break off a chase, the reason alot of these guys are running now is that they think if they drive recklisly enough the cops will break off.
No breaking off a pursuit - ever - and very stiff penalties for running I say, the more reckless the chase the heavier the penalty also.
Thinking about it someone that's had a break down and "runs" from police at the speed limit or less shouldn't get a conviction for running. Thats the only exception I would think.
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Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2010 at 8:58am
| Do the cops show any difference between "failing to stop", like driving at the right speed but just going home and hiding under the bed with the cops outside knocking on the door, and "reckless driving", in which the people race away from the cops at speed, trying to throw off pursuit etc ? Like Haydan says in the post above, is there any rule that cops have to allow for such a difference? |
Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2010 at 11:47am
| There aren't any rules as such but when dealing with a person they have to select the appropriate charge under the given legislation. A failing to stop can occur at 25kmph, (or less), but there is no way that a charge of reckless driving could possibly stand up in those circumstances. Reckless driving requires there to be a high degree of Mens Rea, (guilty knowledge), in that they know that their actions are dangerous but they continue to deliberately carry on in that manner despite the obvious danger to themselves and others. |
Posted By: Latitude35south
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2010 at 1:38pm
| Time to blame the lawmakers(again.......).You get harsher penalties for fraud than killing someone. |
Posted By: rocko
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2010 at 7:59pm
 so i agree there being a catch 22... some deserved and some not and excessive..My 2 nephews were passengers in a vehical under high speed persuit.. Resulting in high speed crash..(170+kph)...there f---wit mate driving was begged to stop by the lads... he thought he knew better... 20ft hedge stopped him wrote the car off all 3 hospitalised.. 1 of my nephews comatose d for 36hours.. My point here is the police vehical chasing knew the area and the rd they were on (narrow and short) and was bumper to bumper @170kph).....F--Wit driving was local,known to police, vehical regd to local address.. on restricted licence out of curfew.. need i say more ............Reason for pursuit? 3 young lads in lowerd japper with legal stat,s.. driving through town @ 0500....I,m not knocking the police just the 1 young gun ho officer driving the patrol car.. ------------- ......... |
Posted By: rocko
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2010 at 8:14pm
Dads army was cool
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Posted By: Catchit
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2010 at 8:21pm
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I,m not knocking the police just the 1 young gun ho officer driving the patrol car..
cant deny you have a point there rocko, but I always thought that when the police were chasing someone the whole thing was controlled by a senior cop at comms. ------------- "We gave Sir Peter a knighthood," Mr Key said, "And if we could give him a second one, we would." |
Posted By: graham 99
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2010 at 8:32pm
| +1 haku-2 |
Posted By: edge01
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2010 at 8:44pm
| It is rigourously controlled. |
Posted By: graham 99
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2010 at 9:01pm
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good point rocko back in the good old day's [with real driver's and real car's ] know of a case in which the boy's where having fun, cop's decided to give chase [as they should have] but at ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE MILE'S AN HOUR the cop's were left behind well in truly but knowing they where in the **** they hide the car thinking all was save. but back in 86 the cop's where on to it , and not that second but about three hour's later they got the guy [as they should]but they also got him for drinking and driving as well ,even though he was stone cold sober at the time of the chase,and the court case f++ked this guy for life.[as it should] there is alway's tomarrow to catch these c++t's |
Posted By: edge01
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 9:53pm
| sounds like someone is a member of the disaffected coppers club |
Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 11:10pm
yip I am an x cop and your story reminds me of a classic, my partner and I chased a car one night a gt falcon it blew us away but we did the business, we chased it at speed him reaching 200k we were on the north western, we could not keep up at 192k so we decided to turn off all the lights and kept on going yeah yeah stupid stuff this was 1986 and it was great to be alive anyways the gt was well sorted with rigged rear lights etc, it was set up for high speed chases, anyways we chased it at speed all around henderson and finally caught up to him when he stopped for petrol, what a classic, then it was into the fish and chip act to get a confession, oh how I miss those times, had some awesome high speed pursuits and came off a patrol bike at high speed chasing a bike, the thing is you cant out run radio waves and a rego is what your trained to get but its dam hard to slow it all down when the blood red lines and you become tunnel visioned, ------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland |
Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2010 at 11:27pm
| Well you cant just let the bad guys run, they have to be stopped. So do personal attacks so I'm hiding a few posts, no crying now! |
Posted By: graham 99
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 10:18pm
| hi ba the car involved was a gt faclon as well .have to admit never thought about police side but thought that was why he was done to the letter of the law .i am happey you are on the mend as your never give up attitude is a inspiration |
Posted By: Millsy
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 8:51am
This is a reasonably typical sort of answer. That doesnt make it a reasonable answer however. For one. Why the reference to Rambo cops? Secondly. How many criminal investigations has this person made into this type of thing. Scenario. I have your rego Mr WONDER as Ive been sitting outside your house and stolen your vehicles plates which are now on my stolen vehicle which just happens to be the same make and model as yours. So now the Auckland Armed Offfenders squad is knocking your door down at 5am tommorow morning and talking to you about the pursuit in which your car was involved in and subsequently then went on to do a robbery. You see how this is panning out fool? This is why policing should be left to the police and opinions made by poorly educated and nieve members of the public should be left on forums with the rest of the rubbish. Your tag suits you by the way. Tell me you're not stupid as well? |
Posted By: STEVIE WONDER
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 9:13am
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Bigbay thats my opinion you have yours.
Read this article by one of our most respected journo's
http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/opinion/off-pat/4452658/As-I-was-saying-19-deaths-ago - http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/opinion/off-pat/4452658/As-I-was-saying-19-deaths-ago
And before you personally attack other forum members read the rules.I don't mind being attacked but when it's by a newbie who have now appointed himself the spokesman of the police,be very careful.I will hit back with menace.all you are is a computer warrior.Take your blinkers off copper.You are being paid by the very forum members on here.So there you go .Have a read and attack Pat Booth as well.You must be thinking to yourself that you are very intelligent.And tell us on this forum how highly educated you are.Remember to put your honours and master entitlements next to your name or signature next.Failing that whuck off.Your wife is calling you to clean the house poofter ------------- ONLY WHEN THE LAST TREE HAS DIED AND THE LAST RIVER BEEN POISONED AND THE LAST FISH BEEN CAUGHT WILL WE REALISE THAT WE CANNOT EAT MONEY. NATIVE AMERICAN CREE |
Posted By: Millsy
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 9:32am
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I just read your signature. Apologies idiot. Email Notify me of Replies = uncheck. |
Posted By: STEVIE WONDER
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 9:42am
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Have you read the article by Pat Booth?.Care to respond big guy.This is a forum so your opinion is welcome.Whether we are uneducated or not we do give our opinions without oersonal attacks.You should try it sometime.
And try this for your signatuer
I AM THE ONLY EDUCATED USER AND ONLY MY VIEWPOINTS AND OPINIONS ARE VALID.I AM INDEED THE ORACLE ------------- ONLY WHEN THE LAST TREE HAS DIED AND THE LAST RIVER BEEN POISONED AND THE LAST FISH BEEN CAUGHT WILL WE REALISE THAT WE CANNOT EAT MONEY. NATIVE AMERICAN CREE |
Posted By: Telecaster
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 9:44am
| bigbaySWF - maybe you should learn to spell before you go around calling people "uneducated" - and learn some manners if you want to be taken seriously on this site, or anywhere else for that matter. |
Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 9:54am
| Raining again cool |
Posted By: Raumatibeach
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 9:54am
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This is a good read from one of the victims families. http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/4463495/Police-not-to-blame-brother ------------- Get off my lawn.... |
Posted By: STEVIE WONDER
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 9:59am
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Thanks for that RM.I agree with them as well.Nowhere did i criticise the police,just the procedures in place at the moment.Of course i want crims persued,caught,sentenced,hanged or whatever.But not at the cost of innocent road users being killed.There's always that chance.Glad the one up South got 9 years for killing the 2 people.Should have been more.He showed no remorse at all. ------------- ONLY WHEN THE LAST TREE HAS DIED AND THE LAST RIVER BEEN POISONED AND THE LAST FISH BEEN CAUGHT WILL WE REALISE THAT WE CANNOT EAT MONEY. NATIVE AMERICAN CREE |
Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 10:48am
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the thing is Steve mate is you labeled them rambo cops, sure there are some gung ho buggers but there are some very good ones too, as an x cop and there are alot on here and alot still in the job as well its not nice to hear rambo statements, I know for me personally I was a tad pissed. People die on our roads every day and some die because an idiot would not stop for lights and siren and go and kill some innocent person, its a terrible thing to happen but it is from personal experience bloody shocking to clean up the mess. Some chases as they are labeled last no more than a few seconds before the twat crashes and kills someone, but thats not how its portrayed as it wont make the news. Good on you for having an opinion, yip our old mate there was a bit OTT and from reading his post he may just be in law enforcement, and just maybe he gets sick of them all being tarred with the same brush, maybe he has seen so many accidents that you struck a raw nerve I dunno but like I say have been in the job and some things cut to the bone when you give it all for you community only to have people call them rambo etc, so yeah it works both ways. What I strongly suggest to anyone who thinks coppers are rambos or what ever, go and do a ride along with them, all you have to do is ask the crew chief and get permission, dont do a day one do the night shift, see what its all about at the coal face, you may even get involved in a high speed chase. then you will get to see it all 1st hand and not how its reported in the papers and TV. ------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland |
Posted By: STEVIE WONDER
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 11:08am
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Thanks for that BA never meant it in a bad way.Was a detective myself and i know that some of the younger coppers is over zealous hence i call them Rambo's.When you think before you do something it always has a better outcome.I blame a lot of this persuit procedure balls up on management.They are too politically correct hence it rub on to the men on the beat.Can you see a scenario where there is more than say 1 or 2 police vehicle chasing a suspect vehicle.The chase would be short because the perps will have space to speed into.So yes there should be more visible policing but we know there's budget restraints.Comms should call of persuits early if the persuers think it's a lowgrade offence.I know it's difficult to know but is the risk of killing innocent road users worth the while.In my book not and most coppers will agree its not worth it.my experience is that perps will be caught at a later stage.you can'r bring dead people back to life.And i agree with Pat Booth that should be a re-thinking of our persuit policy.19 lifes is too much mate.Somewhere there's a failure.hope you get better soon mate and slay them.Might be coming up north over hols and try and get out with Capt Phill.Chheers ------------- ONLY WHEN THE LAST TREE HAS DIED AND THE LAST RIVER BEEN POISONED AND THE LAST FISH BEEN CAUGHT WILL WE REALISE THAT WE CANNOT EAT MONEY. NATIVE AMERICAN CREE |
Posted By: fozzie
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 11:30am
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Ummm...just a thought here from a average member of the public... would it not be fair to say most of these accidents are caused by people fleeing from the police, rather than the fact the police are pursuing them?? It just always aggreives me when ever I see headlines referring to "Police Pursuits" as though the onus of responsibility is with the police, rather than the offender. ------------- Dont take life too seriously.....no one gets out alive any way. http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: back2black
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 11:33am
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If the crims new that by speeding away from the Law, they will get away cause comms will call off pursuit within minutes as they will reach speeds that would be dangerous, so what they will now do is go down the road, steal a plate from MR Jo Blows car, load their car up with drugs etc ( who knows these mite get into the hands of our kids ) and onto the market. Job done, money made, innocent MR Joe Blow is answering questions at the cop shop while the crims sit back and relax and enjoy the millions made! ------------- Auckland Blasting Services Ltd Multi Media Blasting - Automotive/Marine/industrial/Residential Ph: 0225278968 ( 02BLASTYOU ) |
Posted By: Bossco
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 12:31pm
That is a very poorly researched and written article. For instance he uses the example of injuries to two motorcyclists who were hit by a Police car doing a U-Turn to make his point. That car wasn't in a pursuit and the example had nothing to do with pursuit guidelines, it was simply an example of a very experienced driver making an horrible error of judgement in choosing a place to turn to pull over a speeding motorbike, but he presents it as if it was during a pursuit and that the injuries were the fault of the pursuit policy, he's either very ignorant or being delibrately misleading. Look at the only crash that killed innocent people, that would have happened regardless of the pursuit policy, the only thing that would have prevented that would be outlawing Police from attempting to stop cars all together. What we do know from history is that the more limits you place on pursuits, the more criminals delibrately hit those limits and exceed them in order to force the cops from pursuing, it's a catch 22. If you stop all pursuits involving apparently 'minor offences' ie drunk & disqualified driving all your doing is encouraging more and more people to run and even if the Police pull out immediately, the offending driver isn't going to, they are going to keep going like hell and potentially even more fatalities will result. The focus should be number one on ensuring the safety of innocent members of the public and balancing that need without handing over the roads to criminals, at the moment judging by the IPCA review of the fatalities it is achieving that goal. |
Posted By: STEVIE WONDER
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 3:28pm
 ------------- ONLY WHEN THE LAST TREE HAS DIED AND THE LAST RIVER BEEN POISONED AND THE LAST FISH BEEN CAUGHT WILL WE REALISE THAT WE CANNOT EAT MONEY. NATIVE AMERICAN CREE |
Posted By: J-D
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 4:00pm
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Just for the record . . they are not called police pursuits or failing to stop any more. Official description is "fleeing driver"
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Posted By: mouthu
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 6:10pm
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Personally, I think there's some ****ed up views in this thread. Forgive my rudeness, but anyone that thinks the cops are in the wrong when a pirsuit ends badly and some low life dies needs their heads read.
You run from the cops and you die is a fair result I think. ------------- Yes it was me, I screwed it up for everyone. |
Posted By: STEVIE WONDER
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 6:55pm
------------- ONLY WHEN THE LAST TREE HAS DIED AND THE LAST RIVER BEEN POISONED AND THE LAST FISH BEEN CAUGHT WILL WE REALISE THAT WE CANNOT EAT MONEY. NATIVE AMERICAN CREE |
Posted By: mouthu
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 7:14pm
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I personally think that when someone fless and dies saves you, me and everyone else a **** load of money. ------------- Yes it was me, I screwed it up for everyone. |
Posted By: STEVIE WONDER
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 7:41pm
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This is a good read.i'm totally pissed of that this crim and his parents were proved right
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/8530697/too-many-rules-around-pursuits/3/#comments - http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/8530697/too-many-rules-around-pursuits/3/#comments
No-one from the public was hurt except one policeman.So the crim were positively identified as having caused harm to a policeman and rightly chased.His defence for hitting the cop "i didn't see him" and he was actually vindicated by the IPCA.in this instance,and vindicating a previous post i made that this was a classic example and reason for pursuing a crim ------------- ONLY WHEN THE LAST TREE HAS DIED AND THE LAST RIVER BEEN POISONED AND THE LAST FISH BEEN CAUGHT WILL WE REALISE THAT WE CANNOT EAT MONEY. NATIVE AMERICAN CREE |
Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 7:43pm
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Posted By: Bossco
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 7:56pm
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Posted By: STEVIE WONDER
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 7:59pm
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I said lives not lowlifes LOL ------------- ONLY WHEN THE LAST TREE HAS DIED AND THE LAST RIVER BEEN POISONED AND THE LAST FISH BEEN CAUGHT WILL WE REALISE THAT WE CANNOT EAT MONEY. NATIVE AMERICAN CREE |
Posted By: Bossco
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 8:05pm
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Wasn't the fatality in Christchurch the only one involving another innocent vehicle? And that crash wouldn't have been prevented unless you banned vehicle stops outright. |
Posted By: STEVIE WONDER
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 8:20pm
------------- ONLY WHEN THE LAST TREE HAS DIED AND THE LAST RIVER BEEN POISONED AND THE LAST FISH BEEN CAUGHT WILL WE REALISE THAT WE CANNOT EAT MONEY. NATIVE AMERICAN CREE |
Posted By: Bossco
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 8:30pm
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Nah, the CC one was the only one, which was as you say unpreventable and entirely the fault of the fleeing driver, the rest were all just involving the offending vehicle which would mean the policy is working well in preventing fatalities involving innocent drivers. I don't think you actually agree with what Pat Booth wants, your comments on here seem more along the lines of chase crooks while minimising the risk to innocent drivers. |
Posted By: STEVIE WONDER
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 8:46pm
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I don't think you actually agree with what Pat Booth wants, your comments on here seem more along the lines of chase crooks while minimising the risk to innocent drivers. [/QUOTE] Thats the point i'm trying to make.I might seem to be ambivalent to this post but thats the crux of my argument ------------- ONLY WHEN THE LAST TREE HAS DIED AND THE LAST RIVER BEEN POISONED AND THE LAST FISH BEEN CAUGHT WILL WE REALISE THAT WE CANNOT EAT MONEY. NATIVE AMERICAN CREE |
Posted By: Big -Dave
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 9:04pm
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as someone who one fled from a police pursuit, many years ago, you see him braking or turning, and you go like hell, for a while whether he is up you date or not. The police only have to look like they are going to pursue and these guys take off. Although last time they were after me I soptted the dash l;ighs as he went past the other way, I just pulled over and waited, I was on an 1100cc bike, and probably could have pulled it off, but I am no use in a ditch with a broken neck. Took the rap, and as such he didnt take my licence and bike as he probably should have. LEARNED MY LESSON. ------------- you can't fix an idiot with duct tape, but it does muffle them for a while... |
Posted By: worksux
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 9:47pm
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The cops need faster cars ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: STEVIE WONDER
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 9:52pm
------------- ONLY WHEN THE LAST TREE HAS DIED AND THE LAST RIVER BEEN POISONED AND THE LAST FISH BEEN CAUGHT WILL WE REALISE THAT WE CANNOT EAT MONEY. NATIVE AMERICAN CREE |
Posted By: fozzie
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 9:54pm
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Na, people need to be as scared as **** of the circumstances for not stopping, end of story. ------------- Dont take life too seriously.....no one gets out alive any way. http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: J-D
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 10:05pm
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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2010 at 10:42pm
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I feel that because these lads who have killed people, some showing no remorse and high profile, will be helped to park up in the shower so and the boys will play trains and pull out on time, if not they will be seeing the medics at some stage
------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland |
Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2010 at 8:19am
Regardless of who wrote it you missed something very important at the heading of that article
Yes he reputable, but that doesn't mean he's right. doesn't mean he's wrong either. |
Posted By: snapazapa
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2010 at 8:52am
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Funny that article was still referring to the word "pursuit",as one of the police representatives said on the radio yesterday,more focus should be on the "fleeing driver" rather than police.
The press is alot to blame for this as they love to sensationalize the story and "fleeing driver" doesn't sound as good as police pursuit,...hang em high I say! ------------- Live life to the fullest... |
Posted By: STEVIE WONDER
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2010 at 9:01am
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A solution as many have said on here is to make fleeing a felony(Like the Americans say) or here a summary offence with say, a max sentence of 2 years for instance whether you are found guilty or not of the offence you were arrested for later.So if you flee from the police a sentence is already on the statutes books.I dunno maybe that will stop people from fleeing.Failing that we have to go hi -tech like in some states in USA where engine killing devices are employed in a safe and controlled manner ------------- ONLY WHEN THE LAST TREE HAS DIED AND THE LAST RIVER BEEN POISONED AND THE LAST FISH BEEN CAUGHT WILL WE REALISE THAT WE CANNOT EAT MONEY. NATIVE AMERICAN CREE |
Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2010 at 9:18am
| em fast and the furious 2. they dont look that safe TBH |
Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2010 at 11:15am
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have to say and to be fair, the courts are cracking down on these clowns, you only have to look at the sentences handed down to them, this never really happened, the courts and dare I say it the polititians have driven it are slamming them especially with the public outcrys, what I DONT agree with is the out cry on boy racers and these kids coming to jail, its not nice seeing kids not much older than my own behind bars, yip they cocked up but why send a kid to jail to be taught how to become a criminal, I can tell you now that the gangs snap your kids up real fast, you have all heard the "you can be my *****" and its true and its our kids, what is the solution, I dont know but jail and the "tough love" approach aint it. The biggest problem we have in regards to our police and the law is the tree huggers who complain when its "a breach of my rights" B/S and the fact that with these statements by the sandle wearers that our kids dont respect there elders nor the law or the police. I run a youth wing, or I did until I was suspended and I get to see alot and I would love to tell you what I see but cant, jails are no good for our kids and I feel justice should start in the home not in the courts. ------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland |
Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2010 at 12:57pm
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so short of jail BA, what will make them wake up and smell the coffee.... killing one of there own friends doesn't even seem to cure there dumb arse behavior. To much to early in life has made allot of the kids now days turn into alcoholic Rights demanding little SOD's with little to no respect. (does not necessarily include your kids). is there a cure for them or is it just destined to get worse were they all need to be place in a large incinerator. I am not looking forward to the day when my daughter (9) and son (3months) hit this ****ty age and era. Justice at home is laughable. I have a couple of friends that have had there kids basically say they know there rights and walk out the door.... Grrrr made me want to go show them there rights.
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Posted By: photog
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2010 at 6:01pm
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There is no respect, just take a look at many of these people, often with numerous drink drive charges, no rego, no warrant, don't give a F..k attitude. The cops have a job to do, its not an easy one at times but they should continue to persue these idiots. There needs to be stiffer penalties, if that means crushing there car for repeat offenders and jail thats the way to go. ------------- If I'm not taking photos I'm fishing. If I'm not fishing I'm taking photos, either way I'm having fun. |