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See another one is dead, http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4424600/Fatal-crash-after-police-pursuit-in-Auckland
 
Should the plods back off or chase harder ?
 
Admittedly, its 1 less drongo to worry about but he could have collected a family in the process of the chase..
 
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Should back off early.You have his rego.He can be arrested later.No worries.Rambo cops cause more harm to the general public.As you said he could've killed an innocent family as happened in the S Island couple a months ago
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Its unfortunate that innosent people get killed in some chases,murder charges should follow anyone who runs and causes an accident.

The police are dammed if they do and dammed if they dont,I want them to chase,you just cant let these barstools just do what they want,some sy you only need to get the rego then follow it up later but that doesnt work,they just deny they were driving and the cops cant prove it,I want to see police cars that are far more powerful with bars on the front so they can "pit" the vehicle qiuckly.
Or better still,but no one will agree,shotguns in the cars to blow the tryes outThumbs Up,even better just blow the driver out.
Anyone who runs and dies has only one person to blame.Themselves.
 
The cops should not be blamed for doing there job.
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Originally posted by STEVIE WONDER STEVIE WONDER wrote:

Should back off early.You have his rego.He can be arrested later


That would only be effective if -  they can see the rego,  the car doesn't have false plates, it's not registered to someone else,  the rego hasn't been altered,  the car isn't stolen,  they don't have drugs in the car, they don't have stolen goods in the car having just done a burglary, they aren't drunk or drugged(not much point breathtesting them the next day) etc etc.

This happened 30 seconds after they tried to stop the car, even if they had abandoned it they wouldn't suddenly have slowed down, they would have kept on going flat out and crashed regardless. You may as well put out a directive not to even attempt to stop any car that looks like it might take off. And all stopping pursuits will do is actually encourage more crooks to drive dangerously knowing that if they do the cops can't chase.
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Only the crims want them to back off- As long as the crims know all they have to do is run then they will run. pursue them and if they run two caps to the head problem solved
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Increase the penalties for running, confiscation of vehicle, licence and major fine as a minimum. If the pursuit is called off but number plate has been taken, vehicle still gets seized awaiting proof of innocence. (ie:- obviously not if the vehicle is stolen. But if it is mum and dads car... well tough)
Not chasing at all? That just means as soon as the cops flash you for going 58 past a school or somethnig, there is no possible reason to stop, just drive fast and you automatically get away with it. That way lies anarchy.
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Catch22 situation ain't it.Say someone speeds 5 km over limit.Uniform cop goes all in a frenzy.All he sees is revenue.Chases the perp and a high speed chase ensue.Barstools or cops crash into innocent family.Was it worth the while.Different to me if a vehicle is a defo suspect in say an armed robbery,murder ,rape,etc.Then of course you chase.it's a schedule 1 offence.But just speeding or some dodgy looking occupants.Comon guys you can't tell me that losing a life is worth a ticket.Even better improve the driving skills of cops.Faster better equipped cars
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Originally posted by STEVIE WONDER STEVIE WONDER wrote:

Catch22 situation ain't it.Say someone speeds 5 km over limit.Uniform cop goes all in a frenzy.All he sees is revenue.Chases the perp and a high speed chase ensue.Barstools or cops crash into innocent family.Was it worth the while.Different to me if a vehicle is a defo suspect in say an armed robbery,murder ,rape,etc.Then of course you chase.it's a schedule 1 offence.But just speeding or some dodgy looking occupants.Comon guys you can't tell me that losing a life is worth a ticket.Even better improve the driving skills of cops.Faster better equipped cars


If they are just speeding why would they run instead of just stopping? if they decide to run chances are they got more to hide. 

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what needs to happen is make not stopping a criminal offence rather than a driving one and the owner of the car gets the conviction unless they say who was driving [and have a life driving ban mandatory]
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Rental car, rented to a group.  That doesn't work either. 
 
Probably a better way would be a change in tactics to what they are doing in some areas, the cops work as a pair.
 
Oops, no that won't work that requires more money for cars and wages and their budget has just been slashed.  Funny how things work isn't it?  Less money = more carnage...
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As said above. damned if they do and if they don't. most of the guys involved in these high speed pursuits have been younger people. it pretty much shows the lack of respect this age group now carries for the authorities and the general person around them. letting them do what the hell they like isn't going to teach them any differently is it? Chase the barstools down and lock em up I reckon. 
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I think that they need to go to the american law of making running from the Police a 'Felony' charge. Instant loss of licence, 5 years in the can. car crushed. If the law makers want this to be taken seriously, and people to stop dying,  it has to be done right through the system, Cabinet, Judges, cops. Simply pointing the finger at the cops and stating that it their problem is short sighted and irresponsible. The sort of thing that the media does really.............
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Hookapuka hit the nail on the head, no respect not only for the police but for anyone else as well, these Clowns just thumb their noses to all, crush their cars, thats the probable area that will hurt them most and chuck em in the pen.
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There is no way that there should be any policy to break off a chase, the reason alot of these guys are running now is that they think if they drive recklisly enough the cops will break off.
 
No breaking off a pursuit - ever - and very stiff penalties for running I say, the more reckless the chase the heavier the penalty also.
 
Thinking about it someone that's had a break down and "runs" from police at the speed limit or less shouldn't get a conviction for running. Thats the only exception I would think.
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Do the cops show any difference between "failing to stop", like driving at the right speed but just going home and hiding under the bed with the cops outside knocking on the door, and "reckless driving", in which the people race away from the cops at speed, trying to throw off pursuit etc ? Like Haydan says in the post above, is there any rule that cops have to allow for such a difference?
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There aren't any rules as such but when dealing with a person they have to select the appropriate charge under the given legislation.  A failing to stop can occur at 25kmph, (or less), but there is no way that a charge of reckless driving could possibly stand up in those circumstances.  Reckless driving requires there to be a high degree of Mens Rea, (guilty knowledge), in that they know that their actions are dangerous but they continue to deliberately carry on in that manner despite the obvious danger to themselves and others.
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Time to blame the lawmakers(again.......).You get harsher penalties for fraud than killing someone.
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Wacko so i agree there being a catch 22... some deserved and some not and excessive..
My 2 nephews were passengers in a vehical under high speed persuit..
Resulting in high speed crash..(170+kph)...there f---wit mate driving was begged to stop by the lads... he thought he knew better... 20ft hedge stopped him wrote the car off  all 3 hospitalised.. 1 of my nephews comatose d for 36hours.. My point here is the police vehical chasing knew the area and the rd they were on (narrow and short) and was bumper to bumper @170kph).....F--Wit driving was local,known to police, vehical regd to local address.. on restricted licence out of curfew.. need i say more ............Reason for pursuit? 3 young lads in lowerd japper with legal stat,s.. driving through town @ 0500....I,m not knocking the police just the 1 young gun ho officer driving the patrol car..



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I,m not knocking the police just the 1 young gun ho officer driving the patrol car..
 
 
cant deny you have a point there rocko, but I always thought that when the police were chasing someone the whole thing was controlled by a senior cop at comms.

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