Not funny that its happened but an old mate was telling us about the last 45 years and the xmas time fiascos he's seen on this bar so not surprised actually. Hopefully all concerned will recover, the boat was up righted by by standers apparently

The attached article relates to the incident 2 days ago.
Yesterday I wouldn't have bothered getting the boat wet - the bar was impassable in my humble opinion.
What happened today was the worst incident I've seen on the bar. Its to early draw any conclusions, as the bar was quite passable if you had the right boat with the right experience. I've heard various pieces of speculation re going to the aid of a kayaker but I guess that will come out in the wash.
Regardless, bludy sad.
Big ups to the crews of the 3 choppas and 10 or so others emergency appliances who attended.
One comment to end my rant - and based on my observations of the last 45 years. Just because people tow their boat to the beach - its not a hanging offence if you don't put it in the water. Is it worth risking the safety of your friends and family for a feed of fish.
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off shore breeze had picked up..
tide outgoing and below 1m.. last 1/4 outgoing.
A building  1.25 -1.5 swell
Bar is silting up a
... and the swell breaking across the bar.

 Then we can throw in the cctv cameras to observe what has been happening out there for last few hrs or so...

 And similar for the incident around the cnr few days before.

Most properly also assume a huge factor would be under powered to plough thru effectively , or if over 1st  high break..get to the next break before that breaks... or able to sit comfortably on the back of a break on the way in.

 Are these incidences when boiled back to basics, about skippers' choice, which seems, again unprepared if proverbial hits the fan, to go over a section of water that sensible ppl would not go over at that point in time?

That comes back to dangerous choices by dangerous skippers to be there.


 

i'm up in Northland and you can see how poor decisions can result in problems, if things go wrong.

Always sad to see accidents happen where kids are on board.

Been a large increase in boat sales so there must be a lot of new novice skippers out there and with all the lockdowns I suppose the CG hasn’t been able to run its training courses.

"A common theme in these drownings was people underestimating the conditions and overestimating their ability".

Yes read that as well...struck me as very appropriate.
Puts the end  responsibility straight back on ppl.
Sure things can turn to crap real quick when condition good.. and thats the choice to prepare with life jackets etc .
 And then Coast Guard / police come out with statements like  "good outcome because prepared, wearing correct lifejackets.." sort of statements

They and the jet ski were asked to go out and assist the two kayaks

 Yeah read that... makes me think..
I have my young grandchildren on board.... would look at dropping them off near by..espec if dont have the power on the back for such conditions.
And if dont, have they full jackets with crotch straps..

Should one do a resuce into conditions not eqiped experianced ?
Then throw in the drowning stata of those that die doing so?.. let alone doing so ill equipped in such a manner pretty sure thing you/ your childen will join those stats..

Some big questions..

Sort of the same as  "hey they are stuck on a clift face.. heres  a rope"    and one doesnt know how to tie a bowline let alone an alpine butter fly and never absailed, and in jandels.

 Bit more non media, detailed background info of events needed to make a judgement in this situation.

Rant yep that would describe it.
 I have had to drag bodies over rocks on a bar.. Just a few months ago I was inside an upturned ute, crawling around in the broken glass ion shorts and bare hands getting a guy out after not just a accident but another person beating the crap out of him while upside down still with seat belt on..
AQnd can go on about a few more over my 70 odd yrs..

Dont come to me thaT I should be I should bury the reality of sympathy to the famly..
 I value famly far more dearly than most, my children , my grandchildren... espec since I had buried ALL my family grandparent down before being an adult...

My heart goes out to them in a very intense way..most probelry more than most..
Even further, heart goes out to all those families of the future...espec where injury, death should have been avoided, including the death of those who try to play hero without due thought.
 Taking children on a rescue mission such as tthis in those conditions, most properly inexperience (would have to be to endanger children..

And thing is all this stuff come out at coronors injest and maritime investigations....no sympathy just whay happened and why...
But know one reads them, months later we just have the next and next incidence roll over yer after year because everyone has to be so damn PC..

Another just up the road from us, they have just called the search off for the body for the night...happened right in front of his wife and child...

Nah it as not PC to say "  that activity should have at least a inflatable life jacket, espec on isolated beach just on sundown"

And maybe read my post in that light.. and I suggest read not skim..you will find what you say I stated I didnt.

 I totally agree about the media...
 Under powered boats.. hey do the home work, Go back to your CG and Corinor and maritime reports over the last 50 yrs or so..

But ndo not suggest I have no sympathy for the families or those in the future that everytime these things  continue to happen,
barking up the wrong tree there.

Steps, this has nothing to do with abseiling in jandals!  On another day it could be you or I in that situation. Yes we need to be prepared but we've all had our moments. I've never had a situation as scary as couple of yours so just be careful out there. Things go wrong and while there are ways of mitigating that (by being prepared) We all make errors of judgement.

Going on other posts by many other members who are damn good , well prepared skippers, not having a moment, regularly crossing a bar for yrs then you must be the exception..or perception .
Full bins still loade with ice, outgoing tide, waves catching up, not enough power to stay on the back of a wave..?

 And take a moment and look at tmy moments smudge..scary yes dangerous no..risk flipping or capsize no...and if did over equipped.. All on days with no break over the bar  1m and less swell and winds tides correct... and only one incident was mine.
 In fact all are no more an incidents that many take as normal, when crossing. Who 'normally' cross in conditions I dont go.....including yours.